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Yeah... too bad they happen once every 9 months. It was actually a dream week. I hope your strategies don't rely on these kind of days to be profitable

Not to veer off topic, but any system or strategy that relies on outliers carries more risk. It's always best to plan for the worst and be pleasantly surprised when berry patches such as this week come along.

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Yeah... too bad they happen once every 9 months. It was actually a dream week. I hope your strategies don't rely on these kind of days to be profitable

But what if you only trade every 9 months?

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Ignorance?


"Traders get “busted out” because THEY DO NOT SUFFICIENTLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. It is a function of ignorance, not money"
Ignorance seems to be one of those words that seems to take in everything but really contributes nothing in understanding..

Are all the rest of the competitors in an event, just ignorant because they did not win? Is Tiger Woods ignorant because he came in 38th, guess he did not know sufficiently what he was doing....

My question is ignorance of what?

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I'm not certain this superfluous, even antagonizing post, contributes anything to understanding either. All I have taken away from it is that you seem to have a bitter disdain for the the word 'ignorance'. Anyway, I'll indulge you:

I believe the word 'ignorance' is quite clear in its chosen context here. Specifically, if a trader is unable to make net gains, or worse, is only capable of net losses day to day, week to week, et al., well, then they are ignorant as to how to trade profitably.



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"Traders get “busted out” because THEY DO NOT SUFFICIENTLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. It is a function of ignorance, not money"
Ignorance seems to be one of those words that seems to take in everything but really contributes nothing in understanding..

Are all the rest of the competitors in an event, just ignorant because they did not win? Is Tiger Woods ignorant because he came in 38th, guess he did not know sufficiently what he was doing....

My question is ignorance of what?


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I'm not sure anyone is saying you can make a living from the 5k straight off. Certainly not me.

And zerO originally said



Build wealth. I think the point is this. Most people who want to make a living from trading, if they have a decent system and know its performance, could start with 5k and with other income support and compounding, could be making a living from trading without waiting years. A decent system could make an average of 3k pm with 1k max drawdown, trading 1 contract. 5k would happily cover margin and contingency. It really doesn't take long to get to 2 contracts and a reasonable monthly income.

But, the crux is, your system, and how well you do what you do.

Most systems need adaptation, and hence comes the experience. I have learned and created a lot of systems that are great for certain periods of time, but knowing when to change it up to me requires experiences.... unfortunately, I know of no substitute for experience than hours/time reviewing and/or tapping into another being for such information.

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I guess I get to say that trading is my primary source of income. I don't feel like I get to say, "I've made it" yet though.

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I guess I get to say that trading is my primary source of income. I don't feel like I get to say, "I've made it" yet though.

Why do you say that?

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I believe the word 'ignorance' is quite clear in its chosen context here. Specifically, if a trader is unable to make net gains, or worse, is only capable of net losses day to day, week to week, et al., well, then they are ignorant as to how to trade profitably.

I'm jumping in and I haven't read the recent posts in this thread, so it's possible this has already been said or is not really relevant. I'm replying specifically to the post I quoted, not to the rest of this thread. You can have a winning methodology but be ignorant to the capital requirements of that methodology, or not be sufficiently acquainted with how the market you are trading can change its character. I knew a prop trader who made $600,000 his first year trading the yield curve in an extremely nonvolatile market and then lost $1,000,000 on a single trade in one day when the market changed. I know a guy who used to trade in the bond pit who had at least a mid 8 figure career (!) but who lost it all in the late '90s when the Treasury stopped issuing 30 year bonds. Was he ignorant? Obviously, yes and no. He knew well how to make money in one environment but didn't adapt (or just quit, why not with tens of millions of dollars?) when things changed.

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I'm jumping in and I haven't read the recent posts in this thread, so it's possible this has already been said or is not really relevant. I'm replying specifically to the post I quoted, not to the rest of this thread. You can have a winning methodology but be ignorant to the capital requirements of that methodology, or not be sufficiently acquainted with how the market you are trading can change its character. I knew a prop trader who made $600,000 his first year trading the yield curve in an extremely nonvolatile market and then lost $1,000,000 on a single trade in one day when the market changed. I know a guy who used to trade in the bond pit who had at least a mid 8 figure career (!) but who lost it all in the late '90s when the Treasury stopped issuing 30 year bonds. Was he ignorant? Obviously, yes and no. He knew well how to make money in one environment but didn't adapt (or just quit, why not with tens of millions of dollars?) when things changed.

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