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Thanks George! I will give it a look.

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Hi everyone, this might not be the right thread for intro's but I had a link that went along with Psychology/Mind that I thought would be useful for some.

DailyOM - Body Mind Mastery by Dan Millman

Psychology is such a big thing in trading, if your mind aint right, nothing is!
Found that out the hard way and am trying to right myself since finding out about it.

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I feel kinda silly about my post in most Highly Recommended Books last weekend w/o having read this thread... I appreciate the comments here a great deal.

As a yoga instructor, I had the understanding of 2 brains (not that it matters really): primitive (reptilian - fight or flight) and the more advanced brain (non reactive).

My experience in yoga was initially (since I was so used to reacting vs feeling uncomfortable or painful feelings) that I preferred the very active yoga-- keep moving all the time was better for me (so I could avoid what was coming up for me).

Then, over time, I learned how to relax into being really uncomfortable (still not my favorite experience.) And, this is where/when I could choose new responses to my practice and outside of class, to people, life, etc.

It is said that yoga helps build the new brain- neocortex - and if one learns to really slow the breath and hold an uncomfortable posture and hang with it, that one really can increase the size and use this (non reactive/choose a response vs. the habitual kicking in) side of the brain more often.

I have been very interested in the mind/body connection, too. My experience is that the muscles/body hold memories/emotions... in fact, there is work (Upleddger: craniosacral therapy) where they took Vietnam Vets who had post traumatic stress syndrome and found that the body had contracted into a certain holding pattern and upon releasing the musculature, that the emotional release had to then be addressed. The body was holding in what was too painful to handle w/o assistance. So, teams have been set up at some forts (Ft. Benning, I think is one), where a massage therapist and a psychiatrist/psycholgist (preferably one with combat exp) helps guide the person thru...

I also see this in my yoga classes where a person holding a particular posture starts crying in class... their body has relaxed and released enough that they are having to deal with the emotional part that was "stuck" in the muscles, etc.

That said, I want to look at the Sedona Method. Have tried some of the other techniques mentioned by George and others.. But in terms of my trading, I clearly still need something. smile

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Goldilocks,

I see you have good understanding of how things on this level works. I've been searching during the last 8-9 years of my life. I'm happy I've found sedona because I feel that the search for a tool that works is over. Nevertheless, it doesn't mean that one's work is over only because one has found the ultimate tool. Just like in trading, mind is the biggest challenge to face and to conquer (one's own mind). But I believe that, if you have the passion to clean yourself, then this method is one of the most elegant on the planet.

Good Luck!

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i agree with you george. it works also for me (the sedona method) and is so simple.
thanx for bring in my brain. now i understand my mistakes better and why i did.
i like the general cleaning, but i like also the advantages and disadvantages.

i release to money, trading, rules, lust and fear (my hopes, dreams and goals).

i cleaned myself to lose money and to break rules. I release every morning before i trade and after each trade.



sedona is the way for better trading.

Causality is the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is a consequence of the first.
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i agree with you george. it works also for me (the sedona method) and is so simple.
thanx for bring in my brain. now i understand my mistakes better and why i did.
i like the general cleaning, but i like also the advantages and disadvantages.

i release to money, trading, rules, lust and fear (my hopes, dreams and goals).

i cleaned myself to lose money and to break rules. I release every morning before i trade and after each trade.



sedona is the way for better trading.


wh,

You're most welcome! It's wonderful to hear that it works for you!

/George

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Diem,

Sedona is awesome. It's by far the best tool I've ever used that truly speaks to me.

Yes I'm using the home study course and I highly recommend it. Do yourself this favour and have this course. Get the home study course, the book is not enough.

Good Luck

/George

George,
Well, I got the book, not the home study course. Didn't see this post prior.. anyway, I plan to read the book thru the holidays and will keep track of WH's thread, too.

thanks!

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Al right guys itís time to sum it all up and go for the solutions to all this.
Itís not working because of the program in our subconscious mind. If the program is negative, it doesnít matter how hard you try to change it with your conscious mind.

In order to get rid of fear of success (or whatever change you need to make) you have to neutralize that stored energy.

Hi George,
I found someone and plan to try the hypnosis. I recall somewhere else on the site that you said it was important to have a neutral emotion whether losing or winning in using one's imagination to visualize a trading day in the markets.

Is this the primary thing I should request of the practitioner: to help me achieve a neutral state of mind about the above, success, etc.?

Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks!

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Hi George,
I found someone and plan to try the hypnosis. I recall somewhere else on the site that you said it was important to have a neutral emotion whether losing or winning in using one's imagination to visualize a trading day in the markets.

Is this the primary thing I should request of the practitioner: to help me achieve a neutral state of mind about the above, success, etc.?

Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks!

Goldilocks,

I'm glad you asked these questions. I'll do my best in order to explain and paint out a road map for you!

First and foremost. You should know that there are two schools of hypnosis.
Miltonian hypnosis and Omni Hypnosis.


I would recommend you Omni Hypnosis, simply because it's a much better tool with greater effect and results then the Miltonian.

Now in order to get it right. Contact these guys (Gerald Kein is the founder of this one) at :Omni Hypnosis Training - Onsite or Distance Learning Clinical Hypnotism Training

and ask for someone in your area.

You should also know that hypnosis, is not working on someone who's not believing it to be working. It's been said that hypnosis works on everybody and that the hypnotist can hypnotize you and make you whatever he/she wants you to be doing. That's a myth and a lie.
It only works on someone that truly wants to believe in it, and is willing to let go of things in order to get themselves new programs.

Now, about your question whether you should ask the hypnotist to give you a program in order to have you neutralized.

Again, a bit on how hypnosis works. It's working as a wonderful tool for programing the mind, and it works as a therapeutic tool in order to get rid of junk that's stuck in the mind. IF you go to a hypnotist, and ask him/her to give your subconscious mind suggestions in order to get yourself neutralized, it will work 100% unless there's no junk in your subconscious mind that could be overlapping that.

You see my point?! For i.e. if you have issues with money, and that lies as junk in your subconscious mind, for different reasons. Then the suggestions part (programing) is not going to make a 100% improvement, unless the issues is solved first.

You have to understand that the issue is there for a logical reason, and has the function of protecting you. The moment the issue is penetrated, and the emotional charge is penetrated, then it let's you off it's hook, and the issue is gone. That's the part (meaning after you've resolved the issue) when you can ask the hypnotist to give a program that will keep you fit on trading the way you wish to.

You get my point!? You'd have to do some soul searching in order to grasp your problem. And by doing that you're already half way through it all. Now, if you find that difficult, I'd still recomend you to go to one of the guy's they'll recommend you and tell them about your issue, and they'll help you from there.

I hope I've cleared things for you a bit. Let me know if there's something else you wish to know.

/George

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thank you for this post. never thought of it that way before.

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