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Hard conclusions from research studies re: daytrading.

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Johno1
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Although sticking with a strategy at all times is probably easier said than done, would that not fix a lot of problems. Find the strategies that work and stick to them.

As a young man I was a smoker, 30 yrs later at times when I catch a wiff of someones cigarette smoke I can be transported back to then and feel the strong addiction kick in. Addictions have a physical and an emotional element. The physical is not a problem for most people, they can find a way to remove the risk. The emotional on the other hand is an insidious thing, that we carry with us always, it becomes an integeral part of us, it is amazing how easily we can trick ourselves into feeding the addiction. Generally we operate in most things automatically,such as when driving a car, but we also do this in virtually every area of our life to some degree, we just don't pay attention to it otherwise we would be bogged down with detail. The key to managing this is to be found within ourselves and starts when we truly understand ourselves. Manage being the operative word, a very difficult thing to recognize and understand. So no I don't think a set of rules will fix the problem.
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It is also interesting why people are so drawn to the shortest time frames possible.
Surely, it is intimately linked with being under capitalized. If you hold trades for weeks/months it is much more obvious that you are not going to be able to live of the compounding of a 100k account let alone less than that after transaction cost and the tax man gets his vigorish.

That is not even touching on how people love to pull the lever on the slot machine.


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Ya, in the majority of cases it is due to being under-capitalized. They simply have a much larger time opportunity cost and can't park their money. Some other reasons are:

1. They're lazy and don't want to do any top down analysis.
2. They're too scared to hold overnight.

I would tend to agree with both of you.

First of all I would like to thank @Cloudy for directing me to Tradefeed and Dr. Brett Steenbarger. I was unaware of his blog and like his logic and writing style very much.

One thing he does not outline is a breakdown of success from the $100-$500 all in day trader to the elite trade that makes up the top 1% that are consistently successful.

Also years of experience must come into play....he talks about 10 years of day trading to work your way up to elite status....that alone is a leveler as I have the feeling that this alone salts out the losers quicker than anything.

I don't day trade myself...I find it too stressful and takes up too much of my day. But in my experience on various stock chat rooms over the last 10 years, I have found most day traders lack technical skills to evaluate their positions and as a result get into trades that are almost exhausted their run or bail out of developing trades because they have made a 1-2% gain (before commissions).

They rely on "hot tips" from newsletters and don't understand these newsletters are released....not the night before (usually) but more often an hour or so after trading has started for the day (ie. after the people behind these newsletters have placed their bets and are looking for the interest their newsletter generates to drive up the price... AND they know when to get out.)

Do I believe daytraders can be successful? Yes I do... but the skills required are huge... the biggest one is finding good opportunity and timing its entry.... and it is not by following newsletters. Don't ask me how that is done (the identifying part)...I am sure the elite 1% don't subscribe to newsletters. Thereafter one must develop TA skills to plan your entry/exit.

Fundamental skills are of little consequence.... though perhaps they can be used to identify opportunity... eg. searching for companies with a major event upcoming... perhaps FDA approval on a drug, pending merger etc

Yes thanks Cloudy...this is an interesting blog and perhaps he deals with long term trading as well and I love his quotation accents. Especially this one which I suppose is attributed to George Carlin



Sooooo true......

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I would tend to agree with both of you.

First of all I would like to thank @Cloudy for directing me to Tradefeed and Dr. Brett Steenbarger. I was unaware of his blog and like his logic and writing style very much.

One thing he does not outline is a breakdown of success from the $100-$500 all in day trader to the elite trade that makes up the top 1% that are consistently successful.

Also years of experience must come into play....he talks about 10 years of day trading to work your way up to elite status....that alone is a leveler as I have the feeling that this alone salts out the losers quicker than anything.

I don't day trade myself...I find it too stressful and takes up too much of my day. But in my experience on various stock chat rooms over the last 10 years, I have found most day traders lack technical skills to evaluate their positions and as a result get into trades that are almost exhausted their run or bail out of developing trades because they have made a 1-2% gain (before commissions).

They rely on "hot tips" from newsletters and don't understand these newsletters are released....not the night before (usually) but more often an hour or so after trading has started for the day (ie. after the people behind these newsletters have placed their bets and are looking for the interest their newsletter generates to drive up the price... AND they know when to get out.)

Do I believe daytraders can be successful? Yes I do... but the skills required are huge... the biggest one is finding good opportunity and timing its entry.... and it is not by following newsletters. Don't ask me how that is done (the identifying part)...I am sure the elite 1% don't subscribe to newsletters. Thereafter one must develop TA skills to plan your entry/exit.

Fundamental skills are of little consequence.... though perhaps they can be used to identify opportunity... eg. searching for companies with a major event upcoming... perhaps FDA approval on a drug, pending merger etc

Yes thanks Cloudy...this is an interesting blog and perhaps he deals with long term trading as well and I love his quotation accents. Especially this one which I suppose is attributed to George Carlin



Sooooo true......

And yet probably 95% of people believe that they are in the smarter half of the population.lol
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Yes thanks Cloudy...this is an interesting blog and perhaps he deals with long term trading as well and I love his quotation accents. Especially this one which I suppose is attributed to George Carlin



Sooooo true......


Your welcome Underexposed. I learned of Dr. Steenbarger from a futures.io (formerly BMT) webinar. I don't really follow his blog or subscribe to his organization's services, but I liked his articles on research of actual trader success as there is very little stats done or proved in this wild west business of retail trading. I also enjoy following your stock trading journals, thanks. And thank you for sharing some of your stock fundamentals experience. I am still very novice at swing and short term trading of stocks.

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Your welcome Underexposed. I learned of Dr. Steenbarger from a futures.io (formerly BMT) webinar. I don't really follow his blog or subscribe to his organization's services, but I liked his articles on research of actual trader success as there is very little stats done or proved in this wild west business of retail trading. I also enjoy following your stock trading journals, thanks. And thank you for sharing some of your stock fundamentals experience. I am still very novice at swing and short term trading of stocks.

Well we learn off each other, that is the point of this site, isn't it?

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Well we learn off each other, that is the point of this site, isn't it?

Exactly, everyone has something to contribute and everyone has something to learn, no matter how knowlgeable they may already be.
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