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Best Trading Psychology course for dealing with Tilt and Revenge trading

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Did some shredding of my own on Thursday and Friday. Thread now bookmarked, thanks all.

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I would highly recommend the book, "Mindful Trading" by Rande Howell. This breaks down the psychological aspects of actual,real trading... In a way we can all relate to.
Steenbarger, Menaker, or Shull all have great points to make, but that ebook by Howell, opened up points I hadn't even considered. Such as biological fear...

As a trader I found it immensely helpful. It is now in my top 3 books, and I am immensely grateful for it!

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Set limits for yourself and stick to them, write them down and post them up on the PC if it helps, and develop your discipline. I'd say trading more is not necessarily a bad thing in principal, it's instead trading without a solid and verified premise base don an emotional response that hurts ones account.

So in the beginning its very helpful to say I'm only willing to risk x to earn y, and set daily trading limits and risk limits and reward limits for yourself. In a professional environment trading is approached like this - to know all your limits up front to maximize profit for a known risk level you set upfront.

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Hi Shredder,

I would recommend something different, although having read Van Tharp and Steenbarger, they too are very helpful.

But to get to real root of issues you need to be aware/mindful of what is happening at the time. So here is what I recommend. A very inexpensive and powerful book:

Mindfulness: An Eight Week Plan for Finding Peace in a Frantic World

Substitute 'While Trading' for 'in a Frantic World' and you should get the idea. Not easy to maintain the discipline to move into regular mindfulness meditation, but as you know, nothing of value can be got for little effort. And that includes trading too of course.

Good luck.

Update: Just got this blog post link in my email from a UK based trader. Deals with same topic and worth a read. The guy is also an NLP practitioner so other useful articles on his blog:

Defeating the Ego Through Self Awareness

Good reco. The prevention of revenge trading is all about being self-aware of the state of mind and thoughts you are having. There is a limited tolerance to stress and then we, as humans, default back to our emotional mind to handle stressful situations. Therefore, your life situation, how you feel about yourself, other stressers in your life are all contributors to revenge trading for most people. The part of you that intellectualizes trading and behaves rationally gets weaker when you are tired and already have stress present.

I strong suggest this book: Switch

The more you learn about yourself and are aware of your triggers, the more likely you will remain stable through the trading session. Meditation and regular exercise are key destressers and have always been a must for my prop shop.

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I recently came across this site and it helps me regain my focus and release the frustration after a bad trade or whatever sets you in tilt mode.

Amazing how hard it was the first few times, 2 min. is longer than you think!

Hope it helps.

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As a fellow revenge trader, I can't say there is a cure for it, other than time and experience, I do it MUCH MUCH less, if anything the fear of revenge trading keeps me out of a lot of good trades.

Try to keep it so your losses / stops are small, so when you take a hit it's not such a big deal.

Don't focus too much on your account value.



I have literally, given back months of good profit in a hour or 2, so many times, taking a hit, pulling the SL's, adding more positions, still going against me WTF!! then closing positions to stop a margin close all and pretty much wiping the account out.

Just checked my current account, been up for 2years and I've had 3 mini blow outs approx 20% losses, but been able to stop it at that level and walk away!!

If I can do it, you can do it!

I will add, my account where all really small spot Micro accounts, the bigger the account the more I really don't want to do that, when it's $200 it's hard to care really.

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I recently came across this site and it helps me regain my focus and release the frustration after a bad trade or whatever sets you in tilt mode.

Amazing how hard it was the first few times, 2 min. is longer than you think!

Hope it helps.

Do Nothing for 2 Minutes



AWESOME I like that, first bookmark that'll get used a lot!

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Andrew Menaker's Advanced Course.

Can't recommend enough.

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Some really good sources of information here and thanks a lot.

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I would consider looking at BioFeedback devices such as the emWave, Andrew Menaker discusses them in some of his material. You really want to look at your physiology on some level to understand why you lose control and monitor that.

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