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I am working on an automated system using TradeStation (Commodities/Indices). The basics of it are using a random number generator (coin toss) for entry direction and a set stop/target to attain a certain probabilistic outcome based on expected value. What I am having trouble with is that in order to get the probability expectation I want the stop gets hit much more frequently. Recent results have been that profit/loss always tends to hover around zero (back and forth between negative/positive) until a series of consecutive winners/losers shows up. Then it will hover around that level until the next set comes. This is good if those consecutive outcomes are positive, but bad when they are negative. I have looked at adjusting tighter targets, but that screws up the probabilities. However, if this gives me a better win/loss ratio, then I supposed that would make the difference.


I tried tossing the randomized direction, but found the results to be similar, if not worse due to "chasing" on my part. I truly believe in the randomization and prefer to use it, but am conflicted as to why I am having such a difficult time translating my system into automation. I must be missing something or viewing something from the wrong perspective.

Any suggestions? Get rid of automated target exits and exit discretionary whenever a decent profit is there? change the stop/target ratio? Have I just not given it enough time to have enough trades executed before the results can develop in the intended manner?

Would like to here what you all have to say.

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J.

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I'd say to anyone that to be successful they need to try to find and edge and mechanically exploit that edge to become consistent. However personally I'd not use a random number to decide my trade direction as your success and failures are going to be equally random. E.g., I think that you cannot discern as better result from not using a random direction because your discretionary decision on direction is equally random. Not that taking randomness is essentially any better.

I'd not advise that this is a good approach. I'd recommend going back to the drawing board and selecting and more quantitative decision making criteria.

Apologies no offence intended, the best of luck in your trading.

Sand.

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