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Btw, where did all this talk of manipulation and moving instruments start? How does technical analysis have anything to do with that???

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Btw, where did all this talk of manipulation and moving instruments start? How does technical analysis have anything to do with that???

From your second post in this thread.


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That is not manipulation. That is integration of a new idea into the market which changed market motion.

Like the big fed announcements... It's not manipulation, it's just integration of a new fact which has a large effect on market momentum.

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That is not manipulation. That is integration of a new idea into the market which changed market motion.

Then from your post 52 minutes ago with your story of "reshaping the entire day trading pattern for the stock":


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LoL... Not all markets are you a small fish in. When I was a newbie I once sold 100k worth of a penny bio stock during a rally at "market"... The stock was like a dollar thirty or so. The trade made it slip a couple cents.

I walked away from my charts and came back a couple hours later and was like... HOLY $*#*... Good thing I sold then! It slid like fifteen cents. Then I looked at where I placed my trade... The exact top? Wtf?

Then I realized... I had accidentally reshaped the entire daytrading pattern for the stock. My sale had scared the crap out of everyone who saw the order go through sending it into a multi-hour tailspin. That was the trade that made it click and I realized how the markets work. I don't trade stocks for this very reason. Each stocks pattern is controlled and shifted by a few players. Only a few stocks move somewhat naturally at all.

This is why I like the ES and SPY. They are not manipulated intraday. Takes too much money. However, overnight manipulation is semi common.

You claim to have manipulated the stock. Then 52 minutes later you ask why we are talking about manipulation?

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I didn't manipulate the stock. I just sold a large amount when the momentum upward was slow and it triggered a small panic in people who saw the order.

Why do big players use dark pools? So they can sell large amounts of shares without people seeing and not potentially trigger a panic which would lower the price they could distribute at.

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However, seeing how that large market order had reshaped the entire pattern for the day... It made me realize that there is nothing trustworthy about small instruments. Everything you are seeing from the volume patterns to the price levels and momentum can be manipulated intraday too easily...

Also, nobody ever think of manipulating anything, besides being illegal... A firm like Knight Capital will detect the activity and hunt your position down.

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I didn't manipulate the stock. I just sold a large amount when the momentum upward was slow and it triggered a small panic in people who saw the order.

The first occurrence of the word "manipulated" in this thread was by you on the post I quoted.

So to answer your question:


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Btw, where did all this talk of manipulation and moving instruments start?

You started it.

I agree with @DarkPoolTrading -- your strategy is safe, there is no cause for concern in wanting it removed, and to answer your original post


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Am I a bit too paranoid?

In my opinion, yes, you are too paranoid.

It is obvious that your system is highly discretionary. Showing a chart with a bunch of "squiggly lines" as DarkPool put it, or bands, is not a trade secret. If there is an edge with the method, it is not the chart but your execution of it in a discretionary fashion.

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I have never posted anything to do with how I time "daytrades". That is in my 1m-5m, and Tick chartbooks.

What I have shown is clues to how I analyze the overall market motion and momentum.

Ok, I am too paranoid, lol... Lets close this thread!


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It could also probably be said that it is discretionary how I analyze the Level 2 behavior and patterns at support/resistance levels and use it to help time entries/exits a lot of the time. Hmmm...

Yep... I was definitely having a small paranoia attack! Ha...

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