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10,000 hours, really?

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This 10,000 hours thing is BS really, and feeds into your psyche and its belief system. Dangerous. If you keep telling yourself this BS, and believing it like many of you here, you will likely take longer than 10k hours. Just like all the snake oil stuff out there, if you tell yourself you need it, you do. If you tell yourself that 98% of the stuff is pure crap, it will be. Whatever you tell yourself is likely to prove itself right, as your brain is programmed to work that way. We are not as smart as we think.

I agree with you Richard that the mind game is the most important to trading, but I think the 10k hour theory holds true for mastery in the trading world. And that doesn't really involve banging your head against the wall for 10k hours either. It requires deliberate practice and critique by a coach. I believe people misunderstand the 10k hours for "the time it takes to be profitable"...

like tderrick just said:

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There is a difference between trading at a pro level and being a master. IMO

So obviously there are different levels to trading, and all those levels happen within the 10k hours. Just because you haven't hit the 10k hours, doesn't mean you will fail at making money.

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This whole notion is a fallacy. I'm sure Taleb N would concur that after 10'000 hours flipping coins, one may be none the wiser.

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This whole notion is a fallacy. I'm sure Taleb N would concur that after 10'000 hours flipping coins, one may be none the wiser.

I think this guy would disagree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNvqHIUWs14


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Prop shops give traders 12 weeks of training & then let them work SIM till they get good enough to be let loose on 1 or 2 lots. Some people are there on week 12 and some never get there.

3 months, not 5 years.

There wouldn't be ANY professional traders anywhere if it took 5 years of full time commitment to get profitable.

What is it that occurs at hour 10,000 that is so special? Why not 5403 or 1726 or 8983?

It's just a myth perpetuated on teh interweb in my opinion.


trading (for a living) is a business, and as such, your comments are spot-on.

if one has sufficient resources to self fund themselves (living, vacation and incidental expenses) over a 10,000 hour period, as well as funds to float an account at least three times (given expected adverse trading results)

then one need find a wealth manager (high class broker) rather than take this approach at trading for themselves.

one need turn the curve far faster than some arbitrary 5 year horizon.

some teach: "stay off those websites / threads", and to some extent, that is valid, depending on one's bandwidth and ability to socialize for business reasons. if one is participating for comic relief or humor then, the advice is valid. if one is participating on futures.io (formerly BMT) (and other trader websites) for the value and improvement to their portfolio and sharing with others (contributing) then one need stay on these threads...

trading is a business, whether you're a proprietary shop, hack shop, bike shop or truck stop

set your high expectations and hold your results accountable to them!

hopefully you'll turn profitable long before your 6th month and long before your 1st year...

good trading to you!

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Here's an interesting reality TV series on Wall Street participants - including a Day Trader.

The Analyst gal who left home at 15 and retired at 27 didn't need much time to make good money! I assume most here think the 10k hours are needed to just get profitable, never mind become financially independent.

Wall Street Warriors - Season 1 Episode 1

There are 6 programs in season 1, and 10 in season 2 it seems. Worth watching one a day, even if that means spending less time on trading forums! Do hope nobody here wastes their valuable time on Facebook and such, right?

Richard
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Here's an interesting reality TV series on Wall Street participants - including a Day Trader.

Yes I enjoyed it too.

https://futures.io/traders-hideout/203-wall-street-warriors.html

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Being the massive cynic that I am... I can only assume that the 10,000 hours figure has come about as the maximum time people are generally willing to spend throwing their money after magic indicators and paying for "the secrets that the market makers don't want you to know".

If the snake oil sellers have people believing it takes 10,000 hours to become successful, that's 10,000 hours they will be willing to buy their stuff, because you know, they are still learning....it's just the learning process....right?

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While I agree that it may take 10,000 hours to reach the levels of Marty Shwartz (which can't even be the case, since he became a profitable trader within a year), I think that most people assume trading is harder than it really is.

Let me give you some anecdotal evidence related to myself and my family:
My father began his career as a trader during the 90s, and he turned $10,000 into over $3mm (US dollars) in a single year by just taking advantage of a single strategy over and over.

Now let me give you the details:
1) He quit his job as an MD in order to trade full-time
2) He did not have any secondary income
3) He sold everything he had in order to trade
4) He sold my mom's car in order to get enough money to open the account. In the end they had a little over $10,000.
5) My mom did not have a full-time position since I was just born at the time

I believe that if anyone gets to the point where they need to learn to trade to survive and provide to his/her family, they can do it within a couple of months. The problem is that most people are unwilling to put in the conscious effort to learn the craft. They want to do it without thinking, and with a holy grail system if possible.

That is the problem in my view. There is simply no holy grail or automated money-making machine, and people can't accept it.

I'm sure that it could take over 10,000 hours to accept this simple fact of life. Most people never learn it.

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Being the massive cynic that I am... I can only assume that the 10,000 hours figure has come about as the maximum time people are generally willing to spend throwing their money after magic indicators and paying for "the secrets that the market makers don't want you to know".

If the snake oil sellers have people believing it takes 10,000 hours to become successful, that's 10,000 hours they will be willing to buy their stuff, because you know, they are still learning....it's just the learning process....right?



Once again, the old saying goes as stated...

" It takes 10,000 hours to be a master at anything "

You can still make money and not be a master.

I am making money now, but know very little about what actually makes the markets run or
even how the software letting me access the market works.

I have just become adept at judging when the little bars go up or down.


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Once again, the old saying goes as stated...

" It takes 10,000 hours to be a master at anything "

You can still make money and not be a master.

I am making money now, but know very little about what actually makes the markets run or
even how the software letting me access the market works.

I have just become adept at judging when the little bars go up or down.

Why would you need to know what makes the market run or how the software works? Your job is to figure out what makes the ticker move, and how it moves. Not how the infrastructure of the market works :P

If you're making the line go from the bottom left to the top right of your screen, you're doing the job.

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