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I learned a lot about lucid dreams, self hypnosis by Kein and Ramey also meditation and by waves the last years.
I do not coding anything else. This is not importent. Relearning and kill the process of earning 10 or 20 pips.
Get what you want, so i learned Poker ...

But the most gift isn't more guppy, ross or an other trader - all credits goes to Klein and his beautiful stuff ...

Now i go fly and learn / nor understand remote viewing and the left/right brain side. Is price above or below for your prediction.

Causality is the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is a consequence of the first.
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Wait a minute..... Do what now?

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I learned a lot about lucid dreams, self hypnosis by Kein and Ramey also meditation and by waves the last years.
I do not coding anything else. This is not importent. Relearning and kill the process of earning 10 or 20 pips.
Get what you want, so i learned Poker ...

But the most gift isn't more guppy, ross or an other trader - all credits goes to Klein and his beautiful stuff ...

Now i go fly and learn / nor understand remote viewing and the left/right brain side. Is price above or below for your prediction.

Wh,

I too have spent a good amount of time learning about and how to lucid dream, as well as hypnosis and meditation, and believe these things can ultimately help you execute better when it comes to trading. Or, more specifically help you overcome certain obstacles in your subconscious which get in the way when it comes to trading consistently.

But, I am going to have to go with RM99 on this one. Huh?

Can you try explaining what you are saying in a different way? If you need help with translation, max-td can probably help.

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auto-suggestion experience

All - I got interested in exploring various avenues from @Gary 's original thread and have a couple experiences to share.

I'm not a very good candidate for hypnosis (I think) - I don't seem to go into a trance state very easily. But I have had some success with what I would term "suggestion". I purchased a program from kenneth reid - it has two parts (he says three but its effectively two). One is a guided exercise (visualization and breathing) that works on reducing the impact of negative emotions on your trading - sort of letting go of your attachment to and energy around past mistakes or past negative emotional experiences in trading. The other part guides you into a relaxed state and then has 30 or so "suggestions" that model proper attitudes towards trading and a good trading "mindset". His trading "philosophy" is a bit different then mine in that he believes that beginning or unsuccessful traders should focus on a high %win (for purely psychological reasons having to do with confidence) and not worry too much about big winners - so a couple of the suggestions involve reinforcing taking profits quickly to boost %win (this is the part I'm not in agreement with although I do recognize the positive psychological benefits of having a high %win).

I've been listening to these recordings every day and I find that sometimes I fall asleep during them, sometimes I'm just not fully focused on them, but sometimes I'm zeroed in, I relate emotionally to the exercises, and they seem to really help shape my attitudes and this spills over into my mindset when I'm trading.

I'm going to continue to work on them and hope to get better at incorporating the positive attitudes into my mindset so they're there WHILE I'm trading. I've also explored some other similar products (trading mind and similar) and I find that the content of the suggestion is not to my liking. In light of this I'm exploring creating my own suggestions and incorporating them into a relaxation and guided imagery exercise through mixing mp3s together. I need to find a girl with a sexy voice to do the suggestions for me (you laugh but personally I think this will help).

Anyway - thanks to all for these discussions. I'm curious to hear if others have had experiences (positive or negative) with these guided imagery and suggestion exercises.
surly

(I probably should have posted this to that other thread - can I post the same comment to both threads?)

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All - I got interested in exploring various avenues from @Gary 's original thread and have a couple experiences to share.

I'm not a very good candidate for hypnosis (I think) - I don't seem to go into a trance state very easily. But I have had some success with what I would term "suggestion". I purchased a program from kenneth reid - it has two parts (he says three but its effectively two). One is a guided exercise (visualization and breathing) that works on reducing the impact of negative emotions on your trading - sort of letting go of your attachment to and energy around past mistakes or past negative emotional experiences in trading. The other part guides you into a relaxed state and then has 30 or so "suggestions" that model proper attitudes towards trading and a good trading "mindset". His trading "philosophy" is a bit different then mine in that he believes that beginning or unsuccessful traders should focus on a high %win (for purely psychological reasons having to do with confidence) and not worry too much about big winners - so a couple of the suggestions involve reinforcing taking profits quickly to boost %win (this is the part I'm not in agreement with although I do recognize the positive psychological benefits of having a high %win).

I've been listening to these recordings every day and I find that sometimes I fall asleep during them, sometimes I'm just not fully focused on them, but sometimes I'm zeroed in, I relate emotionally to the exercises, and they seem to really help shape my attitudes and this spills over into my mindset when I'm trading.

I'm going to continue to work on them and hope to get better at incorporating the positive attitudes into my mindset so they're there WHILE I'm trading. I've also explored some other similar products (trading mind and similar) and I find that the content of the suggestion is not to my liking. In light of this I'm exploring creating my own suggestions and incorporating them into a relaxation and guided imagery exercise through mixing mp3s together. I need to find a girl with a sexy voice to do the suggestions for me (you laugh but personally I think this will help).

Anyway - thanks to all for these discussions. I'm curious to hear if others have had experiences (positive or negative) with these guided imagery and suggestion exercises.
surly

(I probably should have posted this to that other thread - can I post the same comment to both threads?)

Hey Surly,

Thank you for the information. I am always interested in hearing more about other's experience with these types of things. And, yes, you can post the same thing to the other thread, which, for reference, can be found here:
https://futures.io/psychology-money-management/4086-experience-hypnotherapy.html

Thanks,
Gary

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Here are some of my thoughts. It is hard for a german native speaker to write about mental / mind things. What i mean is quite easy. Success is within or without you. Different factors play a role. For example your childhood, your relationship to money or people and your way of communicating to you and other.
Life is simple. Three main ingredients turn your life. The first is family or friends, the task often work maybe trading and health. Money isn't importent, but it is a part of your way / life. One thing breaks away and the problems begin. Your lose yourself in thought. People will help but only your real friends or family. Do you permit help. Perhaps you know the power of self-help. All other do help for money. Sometimes there are good people who simply help, but not often. The next problem: There are too many solutions. I called it "Rabbit in your headline". There is a nice video on youtube.
Why do people pay for education?
It is the nature of humans. In this case marketing is a great invention. More on that later.
Poker is simple. The three main ingredients are call, raise and fold. It is quite simple. Your bankroll grows faster as your skills. Eventually you'll fall. It is normal. In life you fall and in trading with safety you will fall. Down, down, down.
Poker is good for metal training, pattern recognition and to control your emotions. You can play tight or loose - passive or aggressive.
Trading is simple. You can compare it, with one of the two. You can buy, sell or flat. Not more. Okay you can build unique positions and so. The trading styles diversify, but you can only buy, sell or "Wait a minute..... Do what now?".
Mostly you have three opps. yes, no or maybe.
If your are tight in poker, you are not a good player. If your are tight with your stops your are maybe not a good trader. If your are a tight father, does not mean that you are a good father. So if you are lose, you can be better?
And we come to the power of words and marketing. Hypnotic pattern is around us. Obhama does it and industry and religion even more. All you will give money, but we do not like to lose even though we already losing.
What do you think? What is right and what is false. Is my trading approach false, it is false to break my rules. All you need is self belief and diszipline. This words are the key, then the create the success in your conscious, subconscious and unconscious (brain). You will learn to wait of your opportunities. For you it is true, is wrong for others, and again it's just a story.
If you are a good storyteller then your are a good business man or your a good politican or a great vendor. You can blow easy an acc. in poker or trading, but you need the right attitude. This begins in your brain and goes strictly to your subconscious.
Life, Poker and Trading can be complicated. People make it complicated and obscure the reality. So the can still make money. Here are an example and ask yourself if your are fooled:
A repetition: This is the ultimate trading book or seminar. If you pay 2000 euro you can beat the market. But after the seminar you see no more opportunities. This is the ultimate trading book. You can fish the sharks and regs. Your coach get 200 the hour. After this you see no ... NOR you are looking for inner peace. After the weekend seminar you forget the half or this kind of trance or whatever does not work for you.
-Sedona, Core Transformation (NLP), Brain waves, Hypnosis --> for trance.
So it is hard to find a solutioin especially in the age of google. previously you had three books. today you have 3000. and all are the best stuff. Sometimes you wonder: in all of this books about trading, poker or life ( i only read and tested by myself, no seminar or webinar certainly not for money ) is the same. The art of words varies and has different power.
An other approach is the power of price action. You know sr, fibs and pivots. You know the power of 2 points. You know what happens if these two points (a trendline) are broken. But then i came around and tell you a story about my new scalping setup. You can not fail, because i trade this art successfully. You see no oppurtunities, because you do not believe the fact that this stuff work for you. So it is with poker, trading or trance.
Ask yourself how often you are unconscious during the day in a trance. At the first moment you can not answer.
The same with lucid dreaming. You have an dream diary and you learned to controll your dreams, then you understand more and more and more.
The last challenge for me is remote viewing as an art of physic or energy. Then i will go deeper with all others.
People are not satisfied and luxury is no privilege but a matter of definition.
Trading isn't more a great part of my life. It runs quietly. Poker isn't a big part of my life, but it is integrated. The biggest part is inner peace for me and my enviroment. So i have found my tools.
Best regards

Causality is the relationship between an event (the cause) and a second event (the effect), where the second event is a consequence of the first.
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in my preferred art to write: that is short

@Gary: learn speadreading
@Surly: listen the tape from kein nor look some of his videos

this art of site and style http://daytrading-doc.com/ obscure the reality.
Here you can start: http://www.omnihypnosis.org/dlg/cart/index.php?c=21

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I've spent alot of time too learning to lucid dream. I've had about 10 in my life now.
Pretty much always ends up waking up trying to bang a 10.
Being able to fly is how I tell I'm lucid.
This has nothing to do with trading though.
If you get lucid and think about trading you really need to get a life.

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Here are some of my thoughts. It is hard for a german native speaker to write about mental / mind things. What i mean is quite easy. Success is within or without you. Different factors play a role. For example your childhood, your relationship to money or people and your way of communicating to you and other.
Life is simple. Three main ingredients turn your life. The first is family or friends, the task often work maybe trading and health. Money isn't importent, but it is a part of your way / life. One thing breaks away and the problems begin. Your lose yourself in thought. People will help but only your real friends or family. Do you permit help. Perhaps you know the power of self-help. All other do help for money. Sometimes there are good people who simply help, but not often. The next problem: There are too many solutions. I called it "Rabbit in your headline". There is a nice video on youtube.
Why do people pay for education?
It is the nature of humans. In this case marketing is a great invention. More on that later.
Poker is simple. The three main ingredients are call, raise and fold. It is quite simple. Your bankroll grows faster as your skills. Eventually you'll fall. It is normal. In life you fall and in trading with safety you will fall. Down, down, down.
Poker is good for metal training, pattern recognition and to control your emotions. You can play tight or loose - passive or aggressive.
Trading is simple. You can compare it, with one of the two. You can buy, sell or flat. Not more. Okay you can build unique positions and so. The trading styles diversify, but you can only buy, sell or "Wait a minute..... Do what now?".
Mostly you have three opps. yes, no or maybe.
If your are tight in poker, you are not a good player. If your are tight with your stops your are maybe not a good trader. If your are a tight father, does not mean that you are a good father. So if you are lose, you can be better?
And we come to the power of words and marketing. Hypnotic pattern is around us. Obhama does it and industry and religion even more. All you will give money, but we do not like to lose even though we already losing.
What do you think? What is right and what is false. Is my trading approach false, it is false to break my rules. All you need is self belief and diszipline. This words are the key, then the create the success in your conscious, subconscious and unconscious (brain). You will learn to wait of your opportunities. For you it is true, is wrong for others, and again it's just a story.
If you are a good storyteller then your are a good business man or your a good politican or a great vendor. You can blow easy an acc. in poker or trading, but you need the right attitude. This begins in your brain and goes strictly to your subconscious.
Life, Poker and Trading can be complicated. People make it complicated and obscure the reality. So the can still make money. Here are an example and ask yourself if your are fooled:
A repetition: This is the ultimate trading book or seminar. If you pay 2000 euro you can beat the market. But after the seminar you see no more opportunities. This is the ultimate trading book. You can fish the sharks and regs. Your coach get 200 the hour. After this you see no ... NOR you are looking for inner peace. After the weekend seminar you forget the half or this kind of trance or whatever does not work for you.
-Sedona, Core Transformation (NLP), Brain waves, Hypnosis --> for trance.
So it is hard to find a solutioin especially in the age of google. previously you had three books. today you have 3000. and all are the best stuff. Sometimes you wonder: in all of this books about trading, poker or life ( i only read and tested by myself, no seminar or webinar certainly not for money ) is the same. The art of words varies and has different power.
An other approach is the power of price action. You know sr, fibs and pivots. You know the power of 2 points. You know what happens if these two points (a trendline) are broken. But then i came around and tell you a story about my new scalping setup. You can not fail, because i trade this art successfully. You see no oppurtunities, because you do not believe the fact that this stuff work for you. So it is with poker, trading or trance.
Ask yourself how often you are unconscious during the day in a trance. At the first moment you can not answer.
The same with lucid dreaming. You have an dream diary and you learned to controll your dreams, then you understand more and more and more.
The last challenge for me is remote viewing as an art of physic or energy. Then i will go deeper with all others.
People are not satisfied and luxury is no privilege but a matter of definition.
Trading isn't more a great part of my life. It runs quietly. Poker isn't a big part of my life, but it is integrated. The biggest part is inner peace for me and my enviroment. So i have found my tools.
Best regards

hi there wh

there's a lot of stuff in there, and most of it I like. I am not saying "most of it" because there are parts that I don't like, I say "most of it" because I think you want to make a point, i.e. end with a 'moral' of the story, but I am not sure I understood what the final conclusion was.

I agree with your point that most of us lose ourselves way too easily into thought, with the danger of never getting out of it. Chances are 99% of the time we are awake we are not conscious of our own thought processes. That's why marketing and NLP used in manipulating ways work with most people... they're simply too distracted to stop and think about the messages they are spoonfed every day.

You are also right that today with Google and the Internet we have way too much access. Sometimes is a fantastic thing, sometimes it means we are spoilt for choice: self-hypnosis, Sedona Method, Mark Douglas talking about beliefs, NLP, psychology.... which way to go, right?

I think we all are a result of our experiences, the people we interact with, the places we go and visit, the things we choose to do and not to do, the books we read, the forums we spend time on... you are saying the same when you say "Different factors play a role. For example your childhood, your relationship to money or people and your way of communicating to you and other.", right?

There's a nice ad from Orange about this, here it is



So I am with you if you say that we are the result of our experiences. Of course we can choose which experiences we want to remember and which we want to forget. We can choose to have more experiences of one kind and less of a different kind. In other words, we have the ability to shape the direction we want to go towards.

Personally I believe there's no book or forum or indicator that will have all the answers. For me it's about taking bits and pieces here and there. Finding what resonates with you, and discarding the rest. It's more about the learning process and the journey to get there. Ultimately it's about choice though.

There's a nice passage in a book called The Element. It goes


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[...] our ideas and ways of thinking could imprison or liberate us [...] The greatest discovery of my generation is that human beings can alter their lives by altering their attitude of mind... If you change your mind, you can change your life.

Is that what you meant when you wrote "What i mean is quite easy. Success is within or without you. " ?

And was that the moral of your story?

Thank you.

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