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Well Its not childish to prove yourself. I have the desire to learn automation. Automation may not be the heart of the issue, But you have yet to agree that gambling and discretionary trading are not the same.

Have you tried the chartgame.com yet?
Has anyone gotten to 20k?

Still no one wants to shed light on any substantial proof of automation. I can understand Advanced concepts in programming. Tell me some that you use.

My account will never be blown because I do not gamble.

And if you believe the market is the best teacher trade real data on the chartgame.com and post a log

Sir, you are an automated machine. Flawlessly repetitive. Don't change a thing.
It's working for you in your trading, not so much in your discussions.

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Sir, you are an automated machine. Flawlessly repetitive. Don't change a thing.
It's working for you in your trading, not so much in your discussions.

Hmm, No. It looks like everyone here is repetitive In not being able to do a simple favor for me. Trade that game to prove discretionary is not gambling or post their log of their long term automation working.

I don't ask or require complicated things. I just feel like everyone is hiding in excuses and denial.

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Do you guys trade your systems unattended? If so, how do you handle unforseen errors? My strategy enters orders by calling an ATM. I had a strange occurrence once trading the CL, where my entry order got filled, but CL did one of its wild spontaneous moves, and by the time by associated stop from the ATM got sent to the broker the market had moved enough that my stop order fell on the wrong side of the market, so my broker rejected the order, and since the target order was an OCO with the stop, it got canceled. The end result is I ended up with a trade in the market with no stop and no target. I was at the machine when it happened so I killed the trade manually, but if I was not there it could have been bad. How do you guys handle that?


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Do you guys trade your systems unattended? If so, how do you handle unforseen errors? My strategy enters orders by calling an ATM. I had a strange occurrence once trading the CL, where my entry order got filled, but CL did one of its wild spontaneous moves, and by the time by associated stop from the ATM got sent to the broker the market had moved enough that my stop order fell on the wrong side of the market, so my broker rejected the order, and since the target order was an OCO with the stop, it got canceled. The end result is I ended up with a trade in the market with not stop and to target. I was at the machine when it happened so I killed the trade manually, but if I was not there it could have been bad. How dioyou guys handle that?

I have a monitor strategy. If the monitor dies, I get notified (text/email) Each of my strategies notifies me when it makes a trade. The monitor notifies me every half hour, while in a position, of open positions, P&L and any working orders (so I would spot a missing stop) Did Ninja not detect your situation as some sort of overfill?

It's not perfect, but it gives me fair bit more confidence.

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Do you guys trade your systems unattended? If so, how do you handle unforseen errors? My strategy enters orders by calling an ATM. I had a strange occurrence once trading the CL, where my entry order got filled, but CL did one of its wild spontaneous moves, and by the time by associated stop from the ATM got sent to the broker the market had moved enough that my stop order fell on the wrong side of the market, so my broker rejected the order, and since the target order was an OCO with the stop, it got canceled. The end result is I ended up with a trade in the market with not stop and to target. I was at the machine when it happened so I killed the trade manually, but if I was not there it could have been bad. How dioyou guys handle that?

See stuff like this makes me fear automation

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If you guys can talk the talk, walk the walk. No excuses.

At least trade the chartgame.com from 10k to 20k with no indicators to understand where I am coming from with discretion not being gambling.

I am sorry for being aggressive in this discussion, I just want to get to the bottom of this. Silver dragon modestly helped me out the most just posting that simple picture. I want to be a true believer, I just need evidence.


From 10k to 55k with no indicators:

* But the true is, I don't need to plot SMA/EMA on my charts to trade them, I can use my imagination.

From the post:
https://futures.io/off-topic/1155-chart-game-something-try-2.html#post122789

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Thank you, Nice song ;p

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I have a monitor strategy. If the monitor dies, I get notified (text/email) Each of my strategies notifies me when it makes a trade. The monitor notifies me every half hour, while in a position, of open positions, P&L and any working orders (so I would spot a missing stop) Did Ninja not detect your situation as some sort of overfill?

It's not perfect, but it gives me fair bit more confidence.

I don't remember getting an error in NT. I think that may be because my strategy uses an ATM, and the ATM does not return any errors, it just showed the stop and target order in an 'Orange' color, I guess because it never got confirmation back from the broker. I have to think about some code to prevent that in the future.

So you are saying that your monitoring strategy is a totally separate strategy that picks up active orders and emails them, so in this situation the email would show an entry order, but no stop or target?

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I don't remember getting an error in NT. I think that may be because my strategy uses an ATM, and the ATM does not return any errors, it just showed the stop and target order in an 'Orange' color, I guess because it never got confirmation back from the broker. I have to think about some code to prevent that in the future.

So you are saying that your monitoring strategy is a totally separate strategy that picks up active orders and emails them, so in this situation the email would show an entry order, but no stop or target?

Yes, although some stuff is notified from the strat itself and some from the monitor. I think a working order actually comes from the strat itself. I don't know if you can get the working orders in a monitor strat, but I know for sure you can get the positions and account equity.

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How about doing both?

Can I change my trading experience to "Master" now?

P.S. I will now be offering mentorships... Please change my status to "vendor", Big Mike!

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