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Hi

I heard about a strategy : Add to a trade, and then I was searching here and I did not find any thread.

Doe's anybody trade with adding positions to an existing trades or is this just out of question ?

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Hi

I heard about a strategy : Add to a trade, and then I was searching here and I did not find any thread.

Doe's anybody trade with adding positions to an existing trades or is this just out of question ?

Delta_Panther

Hello Delta_Panther,

I had a similar idea and thread here a while back:
https://futures.io/psychology-money-management/5537-scaling-adding-near-your-average-mae-why-not.html

I would also like to add that for me, scaling in and out is very important. I will often start a position and wait for additional signs before adding more. Of course, your statistics, journal, and experience will help you fine tune this over time.

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Hello Delta_Panther,

I had a similar idea and thread here a while back:
https://futures.io/psychology-money-management/5537-scaling-adding-near-your-average-mae-why-not.html

I would also like to add that for me, scaling in and out is very important. I will often start a position and wait for additional signs before adding more. Of course, your statistics, journal, and experience will help you fine tune this over time.

Gary

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I'm against scaling in/out. Maybe psychoLOGICALLY its OK, but LOGICALLY its not.
I explained it in a thread almost 2 years ago.

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I'm against scaling in/out. Maybe psychoLOGICALLY its OK, but LOGICALLY its not.
I explained it in a thread almost 2 years ago.

May you post the link to that thread ?

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I'm against scaling in/out. Maybe psychoLOGICALLY its OK, but LOGICALLY its not.
I explained it in a thread almost 2 years ago.

My Friend Eusebio is doing quite well with his scaling scheme :

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My Friend Eusebio is doing quite well with his scaling scheme

I'll try to explain the logic of my statement.
I see it (and hope you can see it too) that scaling in/out is like trading two different strategies.
So you have two strategies on the same instrument and same time frame and same entry (scaling out) or same exits (scaling in). Obviously those two strategies are very correlated in their outcomes.
I explained in another tread that you can be better off by trading even a losing strategy together with a winning one, but its only true if the strategies are negatively correlated. Which is not the case here.
So first you need to test (get results) each strategy alone and see that each is a winning strategy.
The results that you can get are:
1. The scaling strategy is a winning strategy but when you separate it in two different strategies one is winning and one is losing. Will you trade the losing one? I won't.
2. Each strategy is a winning strategy (I seriously doubt it) but one gives you 5K each month and the second 500$. In this case why not trade 2 contracts on first one?
3. One month strategy 1 is better and another month strategy 2 is better. In this case its very good to trade the way you do (scaling). I never saw this happen.

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If some one wants to read my threads, just do a search. Don't ask me to do it for you. I wrote 4 or 5 of them, so it should not be so difficult.

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baruchs, you are simply pointing out the obvious after the fact.
It is like saying after a roulette spin that comes up black, why was anyone so foolish as to bet on red.

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FWIW, I scale out but very rarely scale in (trading individual financial instruments, i.e. not correlated pairs, which i would definitely scale in IF i was still using that technique).

My argument for scaling out is simply, I will usually enter in the direction of the trend on the longer time frame (be it 30, 60 or even daily charts). My entry is generally using the 1 and/or 5 minute chart with a target around the last strong support/resistance on those charts, so as long as it does not blow right through those targeted prices, I am looking to yard off some of the position there (usually 50%+, all depends on price action, time of day, etc.) but still hold onto something as a runner. After all, my position is with the prevailing trend.

Something I sometimes do when the trend is undefined is to exit completely on whatever price action i see as a potential stall/reversal signal and put a stop entry (half size) on the other side of that price just in case it breaks through for a continuation of the move.

If I enter as a countertrend fade, I will very rarely scale out.

Just a slightly different opinion

I see the OP is asking about scaling in mostly so as to that, i reckon it depends entirely on your strategy, reasons for entry, timeframes, etc. For my primary strategy now, I enter the trade with a stop in mind that says I misread the market and NOT a price that says, add more if it goes against me. However, I do know of folks that do add in such a way and are successful traders so...


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