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Hi guys,

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What are the most important features in a trading platform? (choose three)

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Choose three based on your priorities.

In this thread, please tell us - why those three? Which platform are you using? Have you tried any other platforms?

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Hi guys,

Please vote & discuss regarding this new poll:

Choose three based on your priorities.

In this thread, please tell us - why those three? Which platform are you using? Have you tried any other platforms?

Mike

My three were:

Performance & reliability -- otherwise, why bother?
Ease of use & Support -- same reason
Add-on script extensibility -- because no platform is going to be complete right out of the box, and I like to tinker with them.

I am currently using Sierra Chart. (Incredible performance & reliability, only passes ease of use requirement once you have gone up a leaning curve, highly extensible. Its support is legendarily cantankerous, but I've always had good experiences with it. Sometimes you compromise. )

I have used TOS, TradeStation, NT7 and 8 and Sierra Chart, and have done trial test drives on a few others.

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My three were:

Performance & reliability -- otherwise, why bother?
Ease of use & Support -- same reason
Add-on script extensibility -- because no platform is going to be complete right out of the box, and I like to tinker with them.

Exactly the same here. I'm solely using NT 8 for about 1.5 years now and NT 7 before.

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Interesting answers so far, to be sure.

Value is at bottom with virtually no votes. Yet if NinjaTrader or Sierra doubled their prices tomorrow, everyone is going to complain and say they are going elsewhere.

The extensibility answer really surprises me. Maybe no one understands that word, to mean the ability to add custom indicators or to write your own code.

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Interesting answers so far, to be sure.

Value is at bottom with virtually no votes. Yet if NinjaTrader or Sierra doubled their prices tomorrow, everyone is going to complain and say they are going elsewhere.

The extensibility answer really surprises me. Maybe no one understands that word, to mean the ability to add custom indicators or to write your own code.

I think extensibility is something that many people became very aware of from the huge number of additional indicators and strategies for many popular platforms, NT in particular, that were developed over the years, many by members of this forum, and that are available here and elsewhere. They're not the only one, of course, and the result is that non-coders know the advantages of having this capability in a platform, and assume they can get custom code produced fairly easily if they need it.

My guess, anyway.

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I chose Performance & Reliability, Ease of Use and Support, and Best Charting experience. But I regret that third selection already. Haha!

When I started trading futures I purchased a lifetime license for ninja. At the time, I was experimenting with indicators and I hadn't committed to any type of methodology. In retrospect ninja was a good platform for experimentation. But I eventually became a price-action trader, and then realized I probably had over-paid to look at 5m bars and an EMA line. Ninja is pretty expensive.

Value has become more important to me because I don't need much from a platform. I have tried TOS, Tradestation, and Tradovate. All three offer a FREE platform. All of them are pretty good platforms too but each has its issues. I really liked the Tradestation platform, but the support was AWFUL! My experience with Tradestation taught me that good support is REALLY important. .

As of now, I'm thinking about doing a demo with R Trader Pro, a free platform with Edge Clear. They offer a Rithmic data feed option too, and I've been curious about Rithmic. Also, I was impressed with the way Edge Clear handled the Phillip Capital situation. They seemed to have provided excellent communication and support to their members during the debacle.

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Interesting answers so far, to be sure.

Value is at bottom with virtually no votes. Yet if NinjaTrader or Sierra doubled their prices tomorrow, everyone is going to complain and say they are going elsewhere.

The extensibility answer really surprises me. Maybe no one understands that word, to mean the ability to add custom indicators or to write your own code.

A lot of people went from using SC for free for a long time but now have to pay which is a bit inconvenient. However I'm sure the people that love it will stick with it. But yes I agree if they doubled their price that would annoy some people.

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Performance and reliability #1.
Ease of use and support #2.
Charting experience #3.

It's rare to find all three in one package. For example, Sierra Chart takes up a tiny amount of resources compared to TOS, but charting experience sucks. Conversely, TOS has great charting features, but it's a resource hog. The irony with TOS is that it was built using Java, which is known for its automatic garbage collection. However, in TOS, I find myself having to manually collecting the garbage to free up resources.

Recently, I started using CTS's platform. The charting experience isn't great, especially with respect charting spreads. It's not as expensive as the other platforms (i.e., TT and CQG, which are approximately $400 and $1400 per month, respectively), it's not a resource hog, and the support is excellent. However, it takes time to get to learn the platform.

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Hi guys,

Please vote & discuss regarding this new poll:



Choose three based on your priorities.

In this thread, please tell us - why those three? Which platform are you using? Have you tried any other platforms?

Mike

Do we need to discount the first one since it is psychologically too convenient to tick?

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I use Tradingview, main reasons are ease of use (in browser) and script extensibility. I love it that I can go from one computer to another and access the same Tradingview in seconds. I looked at other platforms, but many don't run on the Mac unless you use a virtual machine (too much hassle for me). I might be biased towards browser programs, I used TC2000 years ago when it still had Silverlight browser support.

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My three were:

Performance & reliability -- otherwise, why bother?
Ease of use & Support -- same reason
Add-on script extensibility -- because no platform is going to be complete right out of the box, and I like to tinker with them.

I am currently using Sierra Chart. (Incredible performance & reliability, only passes ease of use requirement once you have gone up a leaning curve, highly extensible. Its support is legendarily cantankerous, but I've always had good experiences with it. Sometimes you compromise. )

I have used TOS, TradeStation, NT7 and 8 and Sierra Chart, and have done trial test drives on a few others.

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Exactly!, My three choices also... If you don't have these three no matter the price - it's not fun...

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I was using Sierra charts but have switched to quantower. I want footprint charts and the ability for multiple brokers. Crypto is a plus. The problem for me is that quantower is a bit buggy still and footprint charts are limited. I have a beastly computer but when I have many charts open, Ninjatrader is very laggy

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-Many brokers supported
-Add-on script extensibility
Charting and Performance - needless to say

I had some experience with Metastock, AmiBroker, Metatrader (the worst one), thinkorswim, TradeStation and NT7/8.
thinkorswim - I used years ago for stocks. Cool charting, fast even on potato laptop I used then. I didn't code back then so can't say about it.
TradeStation - EasyLanguage. I hate it.

I really like NT8, charts are great, easy to use, you can set everything you want. If need something more advanced, 95% of the time you can write own script.
NT forum is great place where every newbie can get answer for any question for free. It's good when you starts learning NinjaScript. They helped me a lot in the past.
However, what I really don't like is that they're pushing too hard on their brokerage, so not many brokers support NT anymore, especially if you wanna trade stocks.
It's only Ameritrade or IBKR. 2 brokers isn't too much.
And I don't like their strategy analyzer/optimizer. But I didn't see any platform that can do whatever I want. Currently I write my own analyzer/optimizer that uses NT8 data.

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@Big Mike
IMO, Sierra vastly undercharges for what you receive.
I've demoed and own (gave them serious tries, not just a few days) NT8, MultiCharts, MotiveWave, and various CQG offerings- and I still cannot find a package as complete/extensible/configurable/customizable as Sierra.
The platform is rock solid, fast, and their support gets things done fast without fluff.



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Interesting answers so far, to be sure.

Value is at bottom with virtually no votes. Yet if NinjaTrader or Sierra doubled their prices tomorrow, everyone is going to complain and say they are going elsewhere.

The extensibility answer really surprises me. Maybe no one understands that word, to mean the ability to add custom indicators or to write your own code.


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Performance and reliability is #1?

Looks like ninja traderís days are numbered

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Exactly!, My three choices also... If you don't have these three no matter the price - it's not fun...

Sierra Chart is only friend through "google" search, but I wouldn't consider changing. Best value in market.


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@Big Mike
The platform is rock solid, fast, and their support gets things done fast without fluff.

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Exactly the same three choices as @bobwest! Seems like a popular combo on here...

I currently own NT and Amibroker. I have a love-hate relationship with NT though, the hate part is when I'm getting some strange bug in my code and when I reach out to support they reply with some pre-formulated newbie tips. I took a break from short term algo trading using NT and tried my hand at Amibroker for a more strategic, long-term style of trading. I like the ability to do portfolio-level backtesting, but was only able to apply it to daily data, since downloading intraday data is a bit tricky on Amibroker... Nonetheless, it never crashes and the code language is very powerful and concise once you get the hang of it (array based). Good value if you are not looking to day trade ES..

So far, I don't think anyone has mentioned our good olde friend TWS... I guess it counts as a trading platform for anyone who trades options to any extent (my case!). I would prefer to use TOS but the Ameritrade commissions would kill me. TWS is a clunky old beast that gobbles up your RAM and despite constant updating, it has not gotten any better over the years unfortunately. If anyone has any good suggestions for options trading platforms that can connect to IB, would appreciate hearing your experiences!

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Innovation is the most important factor I look for. There's tons of platforms out there, and they all get the job done. It's when the market changes and they need to incorporate new features that really shows how good a platform is. Of course, extensibility plays a major factor here as well.

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'Ease of use' has to be #1 because if you cannot use it, what good is it? TradingView is easy to use but support is just dreadful. About to start looking for replacement and thinking of SC. I like the spreadsheet functionality.

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Performance and Reliability, Ease of use and support, Charting... Ninja, Multicharts, and Tradingview

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Historical data, charting and customisable interval periods e.g 5 min 233 min the same for tick charts too .

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Its support is legendarily cantankerous, but I've always had good experiences with it.

Best description of SC support.... ever.

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Performance & reliability - no brainer
Value - why throw money away?
Scripting - I want some power here; needs to let you change charts to show whatever's part of your bet evaluation

And must work well in Linux. So SierraChart with irascible but technically capable support. Its differently structured to some of the other platforms I've tried but that's the nature of vendor lock in - if you put the effort in, it will soon seem natural.

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And must work well in Linux.

I never thought of this but running in linux would solve 60% of my trading tech issues... ToS works well in linux (better than on windows) but when I checked years ago their comms were way too high.

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The most important part of a charting package for me is that it has a 5 minute initial Balance indicator.

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For me, some of the things i would like to see are a layer manager to hide or show my prefered widgets a la photoshop. I can imagine putting my indicators on a layer, my VWAP on another layer, MP on another etc. I'd like to have the possibility to remove things i don't need or use or will never use. I'd like to get rid of the many windows we see when comes the time to edit the properties related to any of its functionalities. There could be a simple drawer that would slide from the side of the chart that would present the properties related to the selected object and that would be it. Same window for every settings only the name of properties would change. That would be my ideal.

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The most important part of a charting package for me is that it has a 5 minute initial Balance indicator.


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For me, some of the things i would like to see are a layer manager to hide or show my prefered widgets a la photoshop. I can imagine putting my indicators on a layer, my VWAP on another layer, MP on another etc. I'd like to have the possibility to remove things i don't need or use or will never use. I'd like to get rid of the many windows we see when comes the time to edit the properties related to any of its functionalities. There could be a simple drawer that would slide from the side of the chart that would present the properties related to the selected object and that would be it. Same window for every settings only the name of properties would change. That would be my ideal.

Bubba, as long as a charting package gives you good scripting then you can do a 5 ( 6, 7, 8 or whatever :-) ) initial balance indicator. Sierra has all the tools but if you don't want to pay for the advanced package and something isn't there you can usually write it for yourself.

Trendisyourfriend, yes, trading HSI it's my friend too. You can map indicators from one chart to another with Sierra Chart and also hide them when you wish. You can hide either indicators or charts (a hidden chart has close to zero processing load). I use Sierra menus and autokey like scripts to convert keypresses into sequences of instructions to do things like ... select my 5 second chart, unhide it, detach it, make it always on top and if it exists hide it (so that numpad / is a toggle on and off for a chart I don't normally want to see). Similarly I hide a VPOC indicator as its rarely of interest but I don't want to find it each time I need it.

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This is a follow-up to what Kiwi suggested. Yes, my initial balance is dynamic and can be easily changed.
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