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Is there any platform that powerful and available to the general public?

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 Epistemophilic 
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Hi

I found some proprietary platform that as far as I know is not available to the general public. I have access to it only by watching video stream

Do you know any platforms that can visualize:

1. Individual orders of large players that took several levels of liquidity to fill (order no, qty, position).
2. Iceberg orders with indication if the order was filled or it stays still in book (price, filled qty, remaining qty)
3. Stop orders executed by price level

I found it incredibly useful in scalping but I don't want to relay on screen cast, I'd like to have this kind of information provided by platform installed on my computer

Check this screenshots:





Apparently it uses MBO data but the only platform that I know that can use MBO data is Bookmap and I don't like it

Any ideas?

I don't know much about the following platform, but, check it out. It looks like they only have crypto right now. I am not sure if they are going to add futures and equities.

https://www.bionictrader.io/

Bionic Trader

PDF presentation: https://assets.website-files.com/5dfb9ae2eb4be83fcedcf10c/5dfb9ae2eb4be85497dcf62e_Bionic%20Trader%20Introduction%20and%20Tutorial.pdf




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I don't know much about the following platform, but, check it out. It looks like they only have crypto right now. I am not sure if they are going to add futures and equities.

https://www.bionictrader.io/

Bionic Trader

PDF presentation: https://assets.website-files.com/5dfb9ae2eb4be83fcedcf10c/5dfb9ae2eb4be85497dcf62e_Bionic%20Trader%20Introduction%20and%20Tutorial.pdf




Looks amazing. As a gamer, it's an advantage to use this type of interface. Will see how it turns out.

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For visualizing this and full MBO try Rithmic + Bookmap.
Very clean visualization. Give it a few weeks to get used to it, and start off slow before zooming in too much- the speed and detail can be very compelling to work with, but you need to adjust to it first.

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For visualizing this and full MBO try Rithmic + Bookmap.
Very clean visualization. Give it a few weeks to get used to it, and start off slow before zooming in too much- the speed and detail can be very compelling to work with, but you need to adjust to it first.

I've used bookmap for a long time. But later found better solutions

Bookmap is not even close in terms of usability of provided information. The only thing they are good at is marketing. And their support... one of the worst experiences in the industry

ie now I can see icebergs, know if it was bid or ask iceberg, exact price, how large it was, if it was filled fully or partially, how much was reloaded and the most important IF IT'S STILL THERE waiting to be filled

Second thing is visualisation of large orders. If large order hits the market and takes several levels of liquidity to fill I will see it as it was placed, ie I will see if someone hit the bid with 1000 contracts order. I see order ID, size and exact position of that large player. Bookmap in such case will insist it detected iceberg whitch is totall bs. Or it will show nothing because it can't track single large orders

Third thing: HFT activity. Guys from bookmap sell the story that they developed it to monitor HFT activities. Yet it's just an ordinary heatmap and contains ZERO of visual aids to help you show what the HFT's are doing. I use QuantPrint tool for that and if you are interested you can google it and see it's possibilities, you can use it to show multiple kinds of hft activity and when exactly this activity changes. It can even track cross-market market making correlations

Compared to that tools bookmap is just a nice looking heatmap. And you probably know that now you can configure Sierra Chart to show very similar looking heatmap completely for free

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Quick question - have you tried Iceberg order detector indicator from Ninja Cators? I have asked in other thread but there was no response. Thank you.

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Quick question - have you tried Iceberg order detector indicator from Ninja Cators? I have asked in other thread but there was no response. Thank you.

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As far as I know Ninjatrader can't connect to Rithmic datafeed to read MBO data and without that data you can't reliably visualise iceberg orders

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I am asking about a standalone product from Ninja Cators, not if Ninja Trader can have this or not. (Maybe you read it wrong or I am missing something).

You can Google Iceberg detector and go on their website as I cannot post links here. Thanks.

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I am asking about a standalone product from Ninja Cators, not if Ninja Trader can have this or not. (Maybe you read it wrong or I am missing something).

You can Google Iceberg detector and go on their website as I cannot post links here. Thanks.

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Sorry, but all those ninjacators look like total BS targeted at retail amateurs

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I've used bookmap for a long time. But later found better solutions

Bookmap is not even close in terms of usability of provided information. The only thing they are good at is marketing. And their support... one of the worst experiences in the industry

ie now I can see icebergs, know if it was bid or ask iceberg, exact price, how large it was, if it was filled fully or partially, how much was reloaded and the most important IF IT'S STILL THERE waiting to be filled

Second thing is visualisation of large orders. If large order hits the market and takes several levels of liquidity to fill I will see it as it was placed, ie I will see if someone hit the bid with 1000 contracts order. I see order ID, size and exact position of that large player. Bookmap in such case will insist it detected iceberg whitch is totall bs. Or it will show nothing because it can't track single large orders

Third thing: HFT activity. Guys from bookmap sell the story that they developed it to monitor HFT activities. Yet it's just an ordinary heatmap and contains ZERO of visual aids to help you show what the HFT's are doing. I use QuantPrint tool for that and if you are interested you can google it and see it's possibilities, you can use it to show multiple kinds of hft activity and when exactly this activity changes. It can even track cross-market market making correlations

Compared to that tools bookmap is just a nice looking heatmap. And you probably know that now you can configure Sierra Chart to show very similar looking heatmap completely for free

Hi Matzero,


Can you tell us how you manage to see all that. Is it on Sierra chart (except for the quantprint tool).

I agree r.e. Bookmap. It has lots of info and looks great when backtesting but using it in realtime was nowhere near as clear. Too much info and very poorly presented. I also thought their iceberg indicator was bullsh*t but could never work out why I thought that
Now I know why...

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Hi Matzero,

Did you find out what this platform is?

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