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I'm looking for a high quality replacement for market delta, can some one give me a recommendation please?
the new market delta is very expensive.

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I'm looking for a high quality replacement for market delta, can some one give me a recommendation please?
the new market delta is very expensive.

There is a discussion here:



Seems like the best option is to move to Linnsoft Investor R/T with deltaprint.

I guess I lot of people will consider doing that considering their move to the poor CQG platform.

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I/RT is a good option, pain in the backside they don't support CQG though!

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I/RT is a good option, pain in the backside they don't support CQG though!

The CQG support is in the making.. so soon it will be supported as well I heard...

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Investor R/T shows CQG as one of their partners, but the 'supported brokerages' shows that they still not support it.

That's good news that they are going to support CQG.

Meanwhile I guess I will use Rithmic. I remember using Rithmic in the past and not having any issues. Any concerns here?

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Investor R/T shows CQG as one of their partners, but the 'supported brokerages' shows that they still not support it.

That's good news that they are going to support CQG.

Meanwhile I guess I will use Rithmic. I remember using Rithmic in the past and not having any issues. Any concerns here?

I think you're right... I use the S5 datafeed now though with the DTN MA option. Before that I had DTN IQ feed fwiw.

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Thanks Nikos sounds interesting, not sure I'll wait around myself. I'll likely just change swap my redundant data feed with my current live CQG one.

Tbh market delta has let the userbase down pretty badly in just pulling the change out of the hat on short notice. Imo it seems like the motivation was largely financial (a big cheque from CQG perhaps) rather than in considering their clients needs to be able at least plan a migration with some notice. Pretty poor.

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Thanks Nikos sounds interesting, not sure I'll wait around myself. I'll likely just change swap my redundant data feed with my current live CQG one.

Tbh market delta has let the userbase down pretty badly in just pulling the change out of the hat on short notice. Imo it seems like the motivation was largely financial (a big cheque from CQG perhaps) rather than in considering their clients needs to be able at least plan a migration with some notice. Pretty poor.

Yeah, I've been building on my RTX based algo this year and have several calls with Trevor and dr. Linn about this. Trevor not mentioning this earlier was really a big one for me.

Hence I start developing the DeltaPrint as a high priority when I heard a few months ago, hope you guys like it.

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Yeah, I've been building on my RTX based algo this year and have several calls with Trevor and dr. Linn about this. Trevor not mentioning this earlier was really a big one for me.

Hence I start developing the DeltaPrint as a high priority when I heard a few months ago, hope you guys like it.

Very impressive work Nikos, didn't realise it was your work, hopefully you get rewarded for your hard work in filling the gap in demand that's arisen. DeltaPrint is looking great!

Out of curiosity, have you considered adding functionality to compare the bids/offers diagonally as you see them appear on the ladder? I think there's some interesting innovations to be yet made in this area in trying to visualise mkt dominance/momentum that as yet haven't been explored in previously available tools.

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Thank you. Been a lot of 100h work weeks and still going
We are implementing the Volume Imbalance next week if that's what you mean?

As I was a MarketDelta user myself, we are very open to suggestions and can act quickly to implement new features as there are 2 full-timers working on it.


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Thanks Nikos sounds interesting, not sure I'll wait around myself. I'll likely just change swap my redundant data feed with my current live CQG one.

Tbh market delta has let the userbase down pretty badly in just pulling the change out of the hat on short notice. Imo it seems like the motivation was largely financial (a big cheque from CQG perhaps) rather than in considering their clients needs to be able at least plan a migration with some notice. Pretty poor.

Very well said! Agree 100%!

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I'm looking for a high quality replacement for market delta, can some one give me a recommendation please?
the new market delta is very expensive.

Surely the most obvious choice is Sierra Chart? For the standard price of $36 per month(Service Package 5) you can do basically everything you can in MD. If you have some additional requirements then you could code them yourself in ACSIL( C++) or pay a dev to do it- Based on the cost savings per month you should have additional funds spare that could be spent on customization.

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Surely the most obvious choice is Sierra Chart? For the standard price of $36 per month(Service Package 5) you can do basically everything you can in MD. If you have some additional requirements then you could code them yourself in ACSIL( C++) or pay a dev to do it- Based on the cost savings per month you should have additional funds spare that could be spent on customization.

I would tend to agree with you. Linnsoft has an agreement with MD not to sell the footprint but they are the developer of this product. Now we have a third party who is offering the equivalent or similar product for the footprint part only at a small cost. You're now dealing with two entities. One of them can let you down at any time without prior notice and for any reason as we have seen with MD and Ninja. I think Sierra chart is the best deal for a volume and TPO profile trader.

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I would tend to agree with you. Linnsoft has an agreement with MD not to sell the footprint but they are the developer of this product. Now we have a third party who is offering the equivalent or similar product for the footprint part only at a small cost. You're now dealing with two entities. One of them can let you down at any time without prior notice and for any reason as we have seen with MD and Ninja. I think Sierra chart is the best deal for a volume and TPO profile trader.

I venture to disagree, and I don't want to get into a platform debate here as everyone should do whatever they feel is best for their trading business. And I use many platforms myself as it is as each one have their own strengths and I don't want be dogmatic (I use Tradestation, Ninja, TOS, etc. - I love all of them and couldn't do my work without them).

I've been evaluating some platforms to jump from MD after the announcement for VP and Footprint (which are not many at least that I could find).
In my 'humble' opinion, if you are a Volume/Market profile trader nothing comes close to IRT or MD. I love the footprint from MD, but now there is no other option if you want to continue to use IRT like platform with footprint than use the combination of the two (IRT + deltaprint). Unless MD decide to offer footprint as a third party, which doesn't seem likely (as probably there was a financial transaction involved in their move to CQG).
I'm still evaluating the combination (as I have signals coded into the footprint chart and other coded indicators that I need to transfer over). It seems that everything should work but will have more info in few days as I have more time to test the code and features I use.

If cost is your main driver, yes there are other options out there.

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I venture to disagree, and I don't want to get into a platform debate here as everyone should do whatever they feel is best for their trading business. And I use many platforms myself as it is as each one have their own strengths and I don't want be dogmatic (I use Tradestation, Ninja, TOS, etc. - I love all of them and couldn't do my work without them).

I've been evaluating some platforms to jump from MD after the announcement for VP and Footprint (which are not many at least that I could find).
In my 'humble' opinion, if you are a Volume/Market profile trader nothing comes close to IRT or MD. I love the footprint from MD, but now there is no other option if you want to continue to use IRT like platform with footprint than use the combination of the two (IRT + deltaprint). Unless MD decide to offer footprint as a third party, which doesn't seem likely (as probably there was a financial transaction involved in their move to CQG).
I'm still evaluating the combination (as I have signals coded into the footprint chart and other coded indicators that I need to transfer over). It seems that everything should work but will have more info in few days as I have more time to test the code and features I use.

If cost is your main driver, yes there are other options out there.


I don't want to get into a debate, however, out of curiosity, what is it that you can do with the MD footprint that you can't do with an adaptation from Sierra charts numbers bars & volume profile study? Maybe there's some secret sauce I don't know about.

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I don't want to get into a debate, however, out of curiosity, what is it that you can do with the MD footprint that you can't do with an adaptation from Sierra charts numbers bars & volume profile study? Maybe there's some secret sauce I don't know about.

With an adaptation you may be able to do a lot of things, but the question is, how hard is this adaptation to produce in another platform and in the end are you going to have a similar result? Iíve transferred very complex code between platforms (Tradestation and Ninja, MD and Tradestation, etc), but I use every platform for its strength. I prefer to use Tradestation to analyze stocks, and chart drawing in general. I love Ninja because it uses C# and itís excellent to build and test strategies with all the MSFT libraries available, etc. A lot has to do with look and feel also for the task at hand (I can do VP at Tradestation, but itís a very rudimentary chart). This is in a macro level, there is a lot of micro differences that I donít have time to describe here as it would turn this post into a multi-page paper.

One thing that comes to mind that I use very often on my footprint charts in MD is that I have around 20 buttons on my charts that allows me to quickly view a chart in different periodicity. I can flip from a Renko chart (2tick Re, 4tick Re, etc) to a P&F, to a range (1r, 1.5r, 3r), to a 1 min, 5 min, 30min, 5500 volume, 2000t all in just a click of a button! I can also click a button to turn some of my indicators and signals on/off. I also have some statistics for the footprint and specific indicators. Can Sierra do some of this? Of course, but not with the same flexibility and amount of options. Could I code/adapt all this in another platform? I think I could. Is it worth my effort and will I get the same result, probably not, unless I spend a lot of effort (and I can code quite well in all platforms above). This is just one small example, there are many others that expand to the entire MD platform and why I pay for it monthly.

Again, as I said in my previous post, everyone should do what they think is a good fit for them.

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Thanks Nikos sounds interesting, not sure I'll wait around myself. I'll likely just change swap my redundant data feed with my current live CQG one.

Tbh market delta has let the userbase down pretty badly in just pulling the change out of the hat on short notice. Imo it seems like the motivation was largely financial (a big cheque from CQG perhaps) rather than in considering their clients needs to be able at least plan a migration with some notice. Pretty poor.

I believe their motivation was access to a large and well capitalized development team (CQG) that could work and improve their product for the years to come. Maybe the migration could have been handled differently and/or in a different manner, but sometimes these things move so fast it's hard to be "smooth".

Trevor, the owner of MD, who I have known for many years has always been committed to helping his customers.
He did create one of the better (in my opinion) display of Volume Profile.

There are alternatives such as SC, IRT, etc. However, I think that the current product as add serious features that did not exit before to MD Trader, such as having the ability to have extensive execution capabilities.

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I would tend to agree with you. Linnsoft has an agreement with MD not to sell the footprint but they are the developer of this product. Now we have a third party who is offering the equivalent or similar product for the footprint part only at a small cost. You're now dealing with two entities. One of them can let you down at any time without prior notice and for any reason as we have seen with MD and Ninja. I think Sierra chart is the best deal for a volume and TPO profile trader.

Since I am the other entity, I think I can answer this

The reason I set this up is because I am a long time MD subscriber and under no circumstance would prefer to transfer to the CQG platform. I have tested the new MD CQG platform and did not like it ( personal preference of course ).

On IRT I can use all my MD definitions, except the footprint style, which is now solved with the DeltaPrint.
I have had many calls with dr. Linn from Linnsoft ( IRT ) and there is no reason at all to deviate from the path we are on.

That said, we even strive to go beyond the, pretty simple, footprint as we keep developing this and will ask for the traders opinion shortly in adding more features where MD was never really open to do so.

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Investor R/T shows CQG as one of their partners, but the 'supported brokerages' shows that they still not support it.

That's good news that they are going to support CQG.

Meanwhile I guess I will use Rithmic. I remember using Rithmic in the past and not having any issues. Any concerns here?

You can use Rithmic and IRT. You can use it for the unfiltered data capabilities and use R Trader as your execution platform.

In my opinion, R Trader gives you one of the better order audits for tracing your orders throughout the day.
You can see what was sent to the exchange, rejected, cancelled and the time submitted. You can choose any of the trading days in the past and go over the orders as well. Also, it has the Server Side OCO.

I hope this helps.

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Investor R/T shows CQG as one of their partners, but the 'supported brokerages' shows that they still not support it.

That's good news that they are going to support CQG.

Meanwhile I guess I will use Rithmic. I remember using Rithmic in the past and not having any issues. Any concerns here?

I've used Investor/RT and Rithmic for years with no issues...I would definitely recommend it.

I also keep Rithmic's R Trader open on my computer as backup, just in case, but all order execution is done in I/RT.

Also, Investor/RT did "support" CQG data at one point, but users would need to run MD Trader as the "data source" (so you would have Investor/RT and MD Trader running at the same time). Going forward from what I understand, Linnsoft plans on offering users direct access to CQG data.

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I've used Investor/RT and Rithmic for years with no issues...I would definitely recommend it.

I also keep Rithmic's R Trader open on my computer as backup, just in case, but all order execution is done in I/RT.

I suggest that you explore further the orders on R Trader, they always add features, but don't always document them sadly.
They have time based OCO which are very good if you trade into the close. Also, their orders will be Server Side OCOs.

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I believe their motivation was access to a large and well capitalized development team (CQG) that could work and improve their product for the years to come. Maybe the migration could have been handled differently and/or in a different manner, but sometimes these things move so fast it's hard to be "smooth".

Trevor, the owner of MD, who I have known for many years has always been committed to helping his customers.
He did create one of the better (in my opinion) display of Volume Profile.

There are alternatives such as SC, IRT, etc. However, I think that the current product as add serious features that did not exit before to MD Trader, such as having the ability to have extensive execution capabilities.

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Matt, I agree that this was one of their motivations. Who wouldn't want to get a more professional business setup around them, I would too. But what is also evident is that, the quality of their past performance notwithstanding, their users and their former partners weren't involved in the migration in a professional nor timely manner. And that rightly raises concerns to the users (and potential business partners) that I myself can't just put down to poor handling. I'll explain why here-in, because it is probably unfair to blanketly say 'it's for the big cheque from CQG' without explaining my point fully.

Certainly I agree with you Matt that MarketDelta and Trevor himself have produced some great innovations and have supported their customers well historically, I love their work (and as you say there are many software choice aside from them). However I know in detail the planning and logistics required to perform a complex software migration. Re-working their entire software offering from being based on Linnsoft to the CQG model would've required many steps of work and taken considerable time - incl. negotiation, organisation, planning, development, testing, Q&A to name a few. With the number of components to the project I wouldn't agree that this project moved so fast that it was hard to communicate even the high level details until so late on. Although I agree that can be the case in smaller development pieces.

Clearly managing business relationships means that many professionally involved/close to the parties wouldn't publicly state that the professionalism here was poor, but it was imo and I'll say it. From my experience running enterprise projects (big and small), there are only few reasons that the statement re a major change wouldn't come out:

1. Incompetence - Which knowing the MD team's qualities (as you've spelt out) I'd discount this was the case - although it's always possible of course.

Or the more likely,

2. For strategic cost savings - Which to be honest is a fair consideration if it's done correctly with stakeholder buy-in, as it is a business and not a charity after all.

However, the MarketDelta team keeping it quiet like this indicates that an aim here was to try and get the project largely done without letting their partners or customers know, which implies that earlier in the project cycle there were other motivations (the absolute obvious ones being trying to keep subscriptions from falling early and keeping linnsoft from participating in the planning - together these amount to poor ethical decisions). Imo it's not excusable to trade off your own financial business interests against your customers needs so patently, doing so is just unprofessional in my book (and I'd argue in the book of anyone that has run a true customer centric business).

Perhaps I'm being overly cynical in saying their motivation was for the money from the CQG deal, but it's not at all inaccurate to state it as a potential factor. The course of events suggests other motivations were put ahead of professionalism and reputational interests here. As a technologies & professional services business owner I'd say these integrity considerations are at least on par with consideration of financial interests for running my business. Overall it's the kind of thing that sours the user base more than some vendors would assume. Especially poor when comparing the integrity of the guys at Linnsoft (incl. Dr Linn and Chad Payne) and other innovators in the market. Many professional vendors I've dealt with would never act without thought for their own reputational interests let alone their customers interests. For whatever motive this was done, bottom line it was unprofessional.

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I have been working closely with Linn Software to complete the bridge to CQG ASAP. We want this to be a strong solution for Stage 5 traders, so it is coming quickly. We can also provide an IQFeed subscription (my favorite data feed) for a short period at a discount. This is steal cheaper than the current MD offering, imo. Again, my priority and focus is on making sure our traders have reliable professional-grade solutions at the lowest cost.

It's good to see corroboration of the message that Linnsoft are working on this Morad. I'm sure they'll deliver on it.

Cheers for the info on your offerings sounds like your clients are at the heart of what you do. Definitely good to see that!

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Matt, I agree that this was one of their motivations. Who wouldn't want to get a more professional business setup around them, I would too. But what is also evident is that, the quality of their past performance notwithstanding, their users and their former partners weren't involved in the migration in a professional nor timely manner. And that rightly raises concerns to the users (and potential business partners) that I myself can't just put down to poor handling. I'll explain why here-in, because it is probably unfair to blanketly say 'it's for the big cheque from CQG' without explaining my point fully.

Certainly I agree with you Matt that MarketDelta and Trevor himself have produced some great innovations and have supported their customers well historically, I love their work (and as you say there are many software choice aside from them). However I know in detail the planning and logistics required to perform a complex software migration. Re-working their entire software offering from being based on Linnsoft to the CQG model would've required many steps of work and taken considerable time - incl. negotiation, organisation, planning, development, testing, Q&A to name a few. With the number of components to the project I wouldn't agree that this project moved so fast that it was hard to communicate even the high level details until so late on. Although I agree that can be the case in smaller development pieces.

Clearly managing business relationships means that many professionally involved/close to the parties wouldn't publicly state that the professionalism here was poor, but it was imo and I'll say it. From my experience running enterprise projects (big and small), there are only few reasons that the statement re a major change wouldn't come out:

1. Incompetence - Which knowing the MD team's qualities (as you've spelt out) I'd discount this was the case - although it's always possible of course.

Or the more likely,

2. For strategic cost savings - Which to be honest is a fair consideration if it's done correctly with stakeholder buy-in, as it is a business and not a charity after all.

However, the MarketDelta team keeping it quiet like this indicates that an aim here was to try and get the project largely done without letting their partners or customers know, which implies that earlier in the project cycle there were other motivations. Imo it's not excusable to trade off your own financial business interests against your customers needs so patently, doing so is just unprofessional in my book (and I'd argue in the book of anyone that has run a true customer centric business).

Perhaps I'm being overly cynical in saying their motivation was for the money from the CQG deal, but it's not at all inaccurate to state it as a potential factor. The course of events suggests other motivations were put ahead of professionalism and reputational interests here. As a technologies & professional services business owner I'd say these integrity considerations are at least on par with consideration of financial interests for running my business. Overall it's the kind of thing sours the user base more than some vendors would assume. Especially poor when comparing the integrity of the guys at Linnsoft (incl. Dr Linn and Chad Payne) and other innovators in the market. Many professional vendors I've dealt with would never act without thought for their own reputational interests let alone their customers interests. For whatever motive this was done, bottom line it was unprofessional.

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Sand S.

Very well stated, we are on the same page.

Long time MarketDelta user, was with IRT prior to migration due to need for FootPrint. IRT is an irreplaceable product for those of us that appreciate and need its flexibility.

MarketDelta is white label use of the IRT platform. Linnsoft implemented Trevor's idea of Footprint into IRT, Linnsoft completed vast majority if not all the architecture/coding to create the FootPrint optionality for MarketDelta. Trevor brought a great idea to the forefront (FP), was excellent at marketing and showing its usefulness to new clients, thus driving a good deal of business to Linnsoft. As an outsider looking in, IRT-MarketDelta was a pretty damn good partnership that I wish could have lasted indefinitely. To parallel Sand, the unusual way MarketDelta went about it tells me this was Trevor wanting to differentiate himself from IRT (better control of his own destiny) while CQG saw an opportunity to climb out of the analysis stone-ages. That's just the way it goes.

Still doesn't change the fact MarketDelta users got bent over with logistics of this transition. People have a livelihood based off these tools, pulling this crap leaves a very poor taste in my mouth.

FootPrint is a trademark, not a patent. This is why we will likely see 3rd parties like AMS DeltaPrint use the RTX developer tool to create Footprint replacements. If and when Trevor and Bill's business agreement comes to an end, then Linnsoft would be in their right to start its own version. I will personally be pushing them to do so in earnest as right now it doesn't seem like Trevor & Bill want to make a sincere effort for their end user to be on the same page. A shame.

I picked up the AMS DeltaPrint, installed today. Attached image showing MarketDelta on bottom, AMS DeltaPrint on top. Data is exactly the same as they both pull from same data variables. I'd like to work out some "visual" refinement requests with AMS. Including:
- Multiple Price Highlighter shown in Yellow outline in bottom MarketDelta doesn't print clearly in DeltaPrint.
- full display of footprint bar travel (red/green candle along left edge MD FP bar) not complete in DeltaPrint

Minor stuff, but would like to see this refined. Overall, a suitable inexpensive holdover. Thank you AMS.

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I picked up the AMS DeltaPrint, installed today. Attached image showing MarketDelta on bottom, AMS DeltaPrint on top. Data is exactly the same as they both pull from same data variables. I'd like to work out some "visual" refinement requests with AMS. Including:
- Multiple Price Highlighter shown in Yellow outline in bottom MarketDelta doesn't print clearly in DeltaPrint.
- full display of footprint bar travel (red/green candle along left edge MD FP bar) not complete in DeltaPrint

Minor stuff, but would like to see this refined. Overall, a suitable inexpensive holdover. Thank you AMS.


Great post, thank you.

- Multiple Price Highlighter does show on the DeltaPrint
You have to set the MPH above the indicator level in the Chart Elelement Manager ( otherwise it will show, but behind it, see attach.)

- Full display of footprint bar.
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Great post, thank you.

- Multiple Price Highlighter does show on the DeltaPrint
You have to set the MPH above the indicator level in the Chart Elelement Manager ( otherwise it will show, but behind it, see attach.)

- Full display of footprint bar.
Thanks for noticing, will be fixed in next update.


You beat me to it with MPH, noticed my setting error late last night. Works aok, thank you.

Can you discuss the variable(s) that pulls data from IRT engine to display bid ask data? I've had one person here on forum and two others outside ask me how AMS performance is live. I can confirm it is spot on with MarketDelta live/high pace session, and understand you are pulling via RTX from the same internal variable that MarketDelta does from IRT core. But I couldn't explain with much more detail. Perhaps futures MD users will be interested in knowing a few more technical details so to put their mind at ease? Tx.

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You beat me to it with MPH, noticed my setting error late last night. Works aok, thank you.

Can you discuss the variable(s) that pulls data from IRT engine to display bid ask data? I've had one person here on forum and two others outside ask me how AMS performance is live. I can confirm it is spot on with MarketDelta live/high pace session, and understand you are pulling via RTX from the same internal variable that MarketDelta does from IRT core. But I couldn't explain with much more detail. Perhaps futures MD users will be interested in knowing a few more technical details so to put their mind at ease? Tx.

We are using a technique which is inside the SDK of IRT, basically is it a high level abstraction of using the intrabar information to perform calculations on our chart. Can't go into any more detail really. Hope it helps.
Glad you found it is spot on with the MD footprint, happy to hear that.

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We are using a technique which is inside the SDK of IRT, basically is it a high level abstraction of using the intrabar information to perform calculations on our chart. Can't go into any more detail really. Hope it helps.
Glad you found it is spot on with the MD footprint, happy to hear that.

@BlackSwan @sands : you both were spot on in your analysis. I was also negatively impacted by the changes. We don't use these tools as videogames, we use them professionally. This quick change showed very little respect for their customers. They could get into a litigation with customers, but I guess deltaprint is coming to the rescue, since there is now an easy (and cheaper) path. I also like the idea of dealing directly with Linnsoft now. I always felt the MD community was quite small.

@Nikos Looks quite good! You should check if the bar size prints correctly in all periodicities (min, renko, tick, volume, range, etc.). That' important as I use the open/close/high/low of the bars in my code for signals (I actually hope it's not affecting these internal variable values and it's just a 'display' in the chart issue).
I also wonder if you can make the background transparent also (similar to MD).
Looking forward for the Volume Imbalance implementation!

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@Nikos Looks quite good! You should check if the bar size prints correctly in all periodicities (min, renko, tick, volume, range, etc.). That' important as I use the open/close/high/low of the bars in my code for signals (I actually hope it's not affecting these internal variable values and it's just a 'display' in the chart issue).
I also wonder if you can make the background transparent also (similar to MD).
Looking forward for the Volume Imbalance implementation!

Thanks! All bar sizes print okay, the opening display from BlackSwan is actually something else, since mine doesnt print those atm had to check.

Background can already be set transparent

Volume Imbalance ready end of this week ( fingers crossed )

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We are using a technique which is inside the SDK of IRT, basically is it a high level abstraction of using the intrabar information to perform calculations on our chart. Can't go into any more detail really. Hope it helps.
Glad you found it is spot on with the MD footprint, happy to hear that.

Out of curiosity, have you tried running "Calc Statistics" on the charts with the DeltaPrint RTX Extension?

If so, what is the calculation speed like? <1ms avg calc time?

Also, how often is the indicator recalculating?

The product looks great...outstanding work!

It reminds me of the old saying "necessity is the mother invention".

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Out of curiosity, have you tried running "Calc Statistics" on the charts with the DeltaPrint RTX Extension?

If so, what is the calculation speed like? <1ms avg calc time?

Also, how often is the indicator recalculating?

The product looks great...outstanding work!

It reminds me of the old saying "necessity is the mother invention".

Depends on the computer processing speed, but normally it runs in less than 1ms

Volume Imbalance getting close, ready to test today.. stay tuned: https://goo.gl/VzGG5v

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Matt, I agree that this was one of their motivations.....

Thank you for taking the time to write the lengthy explanation and I will address some of these issues with MD.
One other motivation for MD development is to have access to both web trading (MD Cloud) platform and native mobile(MD Mobile).
This would allow traders to have access to their accounts via one login (CQG).

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Depends on the computer processing speed, but normally it runs in less than 1ms

Volume Imbalance getting close, ready to test today.. stay tuned: https://goo.gl/VzGG5v



Guys, version 2.0 is out! It has the Volume Imbalance in it and much more!

Little preview... DeltaPrint above.. MD below

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Guys, version 2.0 is out! It has the Volume Imbalance in it and much more!

Little preview... DeltaPrint above.. MD below

I bought DeltaPrint. I'm having difficulties recreating this layout.
Can you attach the definition/layout here? Maybe a picture of the settings would be great also!

Great job! Thanks!

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I bought DeltaPrint. I'm having difficulties recreating this layout.
Can you attach the definition/layout here? Maybe a picture of the settings would be great also!

Great job! Thanks!

Here you go: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3f0bxq3b9jdca5/AMS%20DeltaPrint%20-VolumeImbalance.txt?dl=1
And thank you, let me know if that works. I also added it as a template on the website btw.

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Thank you for taking the time to write the lengthy explanation and I will address some of these issues with MD.
One other motivation for MD development is to have access to both web trading (MD Cloud) platform and native mobile(MD Mobile).
This would allow traders to have access to their accounts via one login (CQG).

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This took no time to write as it's helpful to be precise rather than too brief. Especially when many users are not happy, that genuine discontent should be stated clearly and dealt with by MarketDelta directly. To put it plainly they've cost users time and money to save themselves pain and cost. Many professional level users have contacted me directly to indicate they agree with many of the points I've raised and are very angry.

As you say you've a long relationship with Trevor and his people at MarketDelta that you will clearly wish to maintain them as a partner. Hence why I'm v surprised that you're responding at all let alone with a positive spin on their motivations for the delays, which tbh were clearly not their core motivations in this decision. I'm certainly interested in your response regarding your concerns about their credibility beyond the criticism that it could've been handled better. If this can happen once certainly it could again, and that doesn't exactly imbue trust in their decision making or professionalism with regard to their partners interests in a crunch (or in fact their partners clients interests such as Optimus Futures clients). Certainly it's also hazardous to put your own reputation on the line to in a way defend a precarious position especially where it may conflict with your own clients interests. I'm not at all saying that you do approve of poor business behaviour but simply stating I'm aware it's a difficult balance, as those partners interests may diverge from your own ethics and your own clients interests. In your place as their partner I'd not be on the forums discussing it as that may conflict with my own clients best interests and impact my credibility in doing so, so thanks for contributing to the debate. Especially as it was clear that key delay in communication to stakeholders was purposeful and poorly motivated, at least in some significant part (on top of the reasons you mention that honestly are less than credible to the many clients/businesses that have been impacted by their poor decision making). Again I've got to give you some credit that you're on here trying to stand up for positives of their product offering, I'd agree it's definitely a useful toolkit (the additions of the advanced CQG spreading tools particularly to me), however in this last year it's clear it's no longer an exceptional product in the market (Sierra, Ninja, IRT, etc all have v credible alternatives). And in the end for me and for many other the positives don't outweigh the big credibility question.

Imo raising some of these points as you say, now is a bit like trying to close the gate after the horse has bolted, but by telling the person that wanted to let your horse out in the first place. I see no practical benefit to any user to have MarketDelta be made aware of the consequences that they actively instigated. But if I were their partner I'd definitely be on the case to find out what is going on for my clients interests let alone for some guy on a forum (me), but thanks for responding! I'd be asking Trevor to put out a statement on the question of why they left it so late to let everyone know, in a genuine manner that doesn't insult the intelligence of the knowledgeable business/user community that have felt a real impact and who are experts as to the inner workings of a business as well. I've got to say that MarketDelta either underplaying or ignoring this issue entirely will make many lose total respect for Trevor (despite his past performance).

Finally, setting aside the suggestion you made that the project moved to quickly for them to tell anyone (that many that have done similar work would disagree with here), why do you think they didn't let anyone know sooner matt? Why do you think they didn't let users know until after the work was largely done to integrate into CQG? You don't have to answer but I will ask as it's what folks will want to know.

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Here you go: https://www.dropbox.com/s/o3f0bxq3b9jdca5/AMS%20DeltaPrint%20-VolumeImbalance.txt?dl=1
And thank you, let me know if that works. I also added it as a template on the website btw.

@Nikos314159 You must be a genius! Thank you so much!!!!

As of yesterday, I'm a new user of IRT/Deltaprint! I was able to transfer all my code, signals, panes, indicators from my MD footprint chart to IRT/Deltaprint! Everything is working exactly like before as I'm running both platforms side by side right now (including Volume Imbalance footprint!).
All my other MD charts transferred to IRT without problems by just copying MD directory and renaming it into IRT. I also reduced my cost overall, and have full access to Linnsoft support, the original creator of this amazing platform.

This is just a relief! I really appreciate you stepping in to help customers left behind by MD poor customer handling in this situation. This also shows how futures.io can have a positive impact on the trading community.

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@Nikos314159 You must be a genius! Thank you so much!!!!

As of yesterday, I'm a new user of IRT/Deltaprint! I was able to transfer all my code, signals, panes, indicators from my MD footprint chart to IRT/Deltaprint! Everything is working exactly like before as I'm running both platforms side by side right now (including Volume Imbalance footprint!).
All my other MD charts transferred to IRT without problems by just copying MD directory and renaming it into IRT. I also reduced my cost overall, and have full access to Linnsoft support, the original creator of this amazing platform.

This is just a relief! I really appreciate you stepping in to help customers left behind by MD poor customer handling in this situation. This also shows how futures.io can have a positive impact on the trading community.

Too much credits
Anyway, I'm guessing the template I made worked for you As you have seen, it has already more features then the footprint had.
As an example, the Volume Imbalance can also be set with a background, making the numbers readable, the "weak vol" colors can be turned off etc..
I'll try to make a manual about all the options over the weekend, I can imagine it's a bit much right now.


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Depends on the computer processing speed, but normally it runs in less than 1ms

Volume Imbalance getting close, ready to test today.. stay tuned: https://goo.gl/VzGG5v

VI works like a charm...

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So far indeed just stops above ydays highs... ONLO on tap until above 84 imo




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