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Alternative to NinjaTrader for Linux

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Does anyone know any software comparable to NinjaTrader working on Linux?

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Does anyone know any software comparable to NinjaTrader working on Linux?

@Astrogirl check out thinkorswim https://www.thinkorswim.com

you can run it on linux https://mediaserver.thinkorswim.com

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I don't use Linux, but I did a quick search and found this. https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1024638.html?sid=9a3169230bc8584b9e02d6c04e5f990e

You could also do a search on the NinjaTrader Support Forum. I'm sure there is some good info there.

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Hi !

I am working on Lubuntu OS and didn't be able to work on ThinkorSwim. The platform doesn't start successfully. I'm stuck at the software update.

So I use VirtualBox to start an W7 OS inside linux and to be able to use ThinkorSwim.


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Sierra Chart works perfectly on Linux using Wine

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Sierra Chart works perfectly on Linux using Wine

I agree.

I recently switched my SierraChart desktop trading into Debian/Wine (after running a test setup about 6 months) and it works perfectly well. In some cases it runs faster what it was under the Windiws 10.

At the beginning there was some minor glitches but by installing a newer Wine version fixed the thing.

For my VPS algos I've been with Debian for years.

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There isn't like for like replacement for Ninja on Linux, unfortunately it is also not known to work seamlessly well with wine.

As others have mentioned you may try SierraChart, which comes with its own bit of a learning curve. I suggest giving something called "Crossover" a go as well, its tool similar to wine developed by Wine developers only, its not free but it works very well, I used to run windows office on it for couple of years.

However, your best bet is to install virtual guest OS and run Ninja trader on it or dual boot, I know it sounds counter intuitive if your objective was saving resources using Linux, but sometimes its better to use those resources than trying to save them as there are usually complications involved that you may not able to solve yourself. Also, Linux forums are not exactly very friendly crowd unless you know your stuff as well. It would be equal to taking square of SierraChart support - I jest. But you should get the idea.


I've been part of Ubuntu testing team couple of years ago and I don't recommend using Wine or PlayonLinux for your trading software unless trading software support staff actively addresses/supports problems that come with that method. Usually they don't.

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Does anyone know any software comparable to NinjaTrader working on Linux?


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Sierra Chart works perfectly on Linux using Wine


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I recently switched my SierraChart desktop trading into Debian/Wine (after running a test setup about 6 months) and it works perfectly well. In some cases it runs faster what it was under the Windiws 10.

Sierra Chart's recommendation for Linux is to run it using Wine: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/helpdetails56.html

I personally prefer Sierra Chart to Ninja, but that's a personal matter. I think it meets the criterion of "comparable to NinjaTrader" (and exceeds it .)

I don't have experience with running it under Wine/Linux, but it seems like a known thing to do.

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I've been part of Ubuntu testing team couple of years ago and I don't recommend using Wine or PlayonLinux for your trading software...

And why is this ? Do you have some of your own experiences ?

I haven't met a single issue during 6 months while trading from SierraChart on my testing Debian/Wine setup.

Could it be because Debian is more stable than Ubuntu. I don't do any other updates than serious security fixes (once a year or less) after installation. No windows like update hell which could jeopardize the stability.

I started with a minimal Debian installation and added only components which I really need. My setup is very lightweight.

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Sierra Chart's recommendation for Linux is to run it using Wine: https://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?page=doc/helpdetails56.html

I personally prefer Sierra Chart to Ninja, but that's a personal matter. I think it meets the criterion of "comparable to NinjaTrader" (and exceeds it .)

I don't have experience with running it under Wine/Linux, but it seems like a known thing to do.

Bob.

I didn't mean to compare Ninja and Sierra

I don't use either, so it would be very rude of me to do so. I just mean it in more regards to user past experience with the platform. Both Sierra and Ninja are different in that regard, so switching one to another would be different if not difficult for most. And just my penny worth experience, I would say same thing if someone was asking about Sierra alternative on Linux.


Here is the problem that's probably more important though from the link you provided, in bold;

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Sierra Chart can be run on GNU/Linux, BSD, and Mac OS X using Wine.

To use Sierra Chart on Mac computers, refer to Using Sierra Chart on the Mac Operating Systems.

Sierra Chart support and engineering does not provide any help with or answer any questions related to running Sierra Chart on other operating systems using Wine.

What I'm trying to get at is this;
Wine is known to be buggy and hard fast method to run windows software on Linux, its a very very dodgy thing to do and problems can pop up everywhere. Even with most widely used software like Microsoft Office it is not "always functional as intended", they maintain list with ratings of software, I'll post a link below. Its not very good idea to do so with your trading software when neither Linux/Wine or platform providers themselves actively address the issues that may popup. And they do popup, quite a lot and Linux support forums are quite funny/sarcastic as well (with little exception of Mint and Ubuntu, just maybe)

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=4249

That's the rating for Sierra over different versions of wine, they haven't even officially rated/tested this combo since version 1.0 something, and now wine is in 4.0 something. And Ubuntu is in 19 or something version.

I must also add that one should try with Crossover before completely giving up the idea, but wine is certainly not reliable solution to do so for professional traders who use their trading platform inside out. Even the Linux forum ppl will suggest Virtual machine before suggesting trying your luck with Wine.

However, one can try if they can deal with such a problems on their own end,
https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25022
Just like how @Scalpguy is doing, but again not everyone who is new to Linux can achieve this, most wont even know difference between full install and minimal install

Its certainly not a dark road, and I certainly didn't mean to sound like it is, its just that its handful enough to deal with trading issues and you don't want to add in outside issues more than you would like and if they can be avoided by simple use of Virtual machine over wine which can allow using whatever platform you want and are comfortable with in guest OS.

Quick google also took me to installation guide if someone wants (for sierra over Ubuntu)


There is also hope as there are "other users on SC support forum" that are very intent on making it work on their end.
Here is discussion thread for that
https://www.sierrachart.com/SupportBoard.php?ThreadID=29998

Again I must caution that if you are new Linux user and asking for alternative for something as important as trading software your first solution should be Virtual machine and not Wine. You don't want to wake up suddenly one day to find out last update messed your charting platform or somehow order execution mechanism. Or something more simple, like font problem. Unless you are know-how guy, better stick to simpler things when large monetary risk is involved

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