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Trevor from MarketDelta Just released his Cloud based solution.

No Beta, No Promo, He Just Got it DONE! Congrats.

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I am excited to try it out. This direction makes a lot of sense to me, and as far as I know, only MarketDelta and TT are there right now.

There will be an upcoming webinar with Trevor to demo the new product soon on futures.io.

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I am excited to try it out. This direction makes a lot of sense to me, and as far as I know, only MarketDelta and TT are there right now.

There will be an upcoming webinar with Trevor to demo the new product soon on futures.io.

Mike

Trevor is just a decent human being to do business with and we at Optimus will support him all the way with this platform. I appreciate you giving him the stage to promote his product.

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Interesting.

No mention of footprint charts. Does it mean the MarketDelta Cloud charting is not based on Investor/RT?

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Very nice, got a demo earlier and playing with it. Seems pretty fast and easy to use. Only thing I don't like is I can't draw on the charts (or I haven't figured that out yet.) So no trendlines or harmonic butterflies...

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This reminds me of the ibroker app. But I must say that it is by far more stable and easier to use. I was even able to login via iPad browser and it ran great.

I can't see this being my charting software because of limitations, but it is definitely workable for just the DOM and use NT or SC or something else for charts.

I do like the light weight and cloud access from anywhere.

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This reminds me of the ibroker app. But I must say that it is by far more stable and easier to use. I was even able to login via iPad browser and it ran great.

I can't see this being my charting software because of limitations, but it is definitely workable for just the DOM and use NT or SC or something else for charts.

I do like the light weight and cloud access from anywhere.

What limitations?

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got my interest...I'd like to give it a spin if my brokers support it.

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What limitations?

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I only see time based bars, no Vol or Tick. Chart studies are prepackaged, you can adjust settings on them but limited to what is available. (which is quite a bit, from MAs to RSI and everything in between.) I don't see anyway to mark on the charts, lines, boxes, text ect. Also seems hard to select how much data to load on the chart. Like NT I can set it to load 5 days or 5 months. I also couldn't find a continuous contract (probably there, just hard to find) to view a yearly/multi year timeframe.

Overall it seems solid, but these limitations make it hard to use as my main chart.

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I only see time based bars, no Vol or Tick. Chart studies are prepackaged, you can adjust settings on them but limited to what is available. (which is quite a bit, from MAs to RSI and everything in between.) I don't see anyway to mark on the charts, lines, boxes, text ect. Also seems hard to select how much data to load on the chart. Like NT I can set it to load 5 days or 5 months. I also couldn't find a continuous contract (probably there, just hard to find) to view a yearly/multi year timeframe.

Overall it seems solid, but these limitations make it hard to use as my main chart.

Hopefully we can get some clarification from Trevor on some of this, @MarketDelta

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Got the email and tried to sign up for a sim account but keep getting errors :-( Not a good start. Have sent them a tweet about it so wait and see.

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Also their position screen doesn't show the price you purchased or current price. Only p/l. So if you scale in our out it is hard to determine what your avg price is. Also order entries are not indicated on the chart.

Again not too serious, but hindrances that can make it hard to effectively trade live.

**Found it on Watchlist, it shows your position and avg price. avg price is missing from DOM as well.

EDIT: Position is on Watchlist, but avg price is not. There is no way to see avg price from what I can find.

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Got the email and tried to sign up for a sim account but keep getting errors :-( Not a good start. Have sent them a tweet about it so wait and see.

I signed up in seconds today. What was the error?

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If you wish, you can PM me your email.

I will try and set you up.

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I am excited to try it out. This direction makes a lot of sense to me, and as far as I know, only MarketDelta and TT are there right now.

There will be an upcoming webinar with Trevor to demo the new product soon on futures.io.

Mike

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Like you Mike I too am excited about this move to cloud solutions. I am not as technical as you, but what I don't understand is why other trading software houses are not further down this path of providing a cloud version.

For instance take Sierra Charts. I suspect most users operate SC with only the in-built studies (as opposed to say NT where a lot of users probably user indicators not written by NT) so what is so hard then for SC to port their product to the cloud?

When you say as far as you know only MarketDelta and TT are there right now, were you aware of CGQ's product CQG M | CQG, Inc.. Or is there some reason this does not fit your view of a cloud solution?

Neither CQG or TT actually satisfy my needs at present (but at least it is a start) - and I will have a look at MarketDelta to assess their fit.

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Like you Mike I too am excited about this move to cloud solutions. I am not as technical as you, but what I don't understand is why other trading software houses are not further down this path of providing a cloud version.

This concept of Cloud solution for trading has to be proved.

Could Solution works well for typical office applications. Its main advantage is cost reduction and centralization.

In trading, our applications are time sensitive. Even delay in milliseconds would cause slippage. In a typical desktop application, when we submit an order on the DOM, the trading platform submits the order directly to the exchanges using the API (direct) interface. In the Cloud solution, the DOM actually runs on the Servers in the cloud. Submitting an order becomes a two-step process. Servers first receive the order from the client (us) and then submits it to the exchanges which could potentially induce additional latency.

Another concern is, latency of DOM itself. Typically, DOM residing on our computers receives the raw tick stream . In the cloud implementation, either the DOM is generated on the servers with on the servers, and the data is encapsulated by additional protocols before it is sent clients. I would guess there would be additional latency involved.

I would remain skeptical until it is proven that cloud solution is as fast as the desktop solution.

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This concept of Cloud solution for trading has to be proved.

Could Solution works well for typical office applications. Its main advantage is cost reduction and centralization.

In trading, our applications are time sensitive. Even delay in milliseconds would cause slippage. In a typical desktop application, when we submit an order on the DOM, the trading platform submits the order directly to the exchanges using the API (direct) interface. In the Cloud solution, the DOM actually runs on the Servers in the cloud. Submitting an order becomes a two-step process. Servers first receive the order from the client (us) and then submits it to the exchanges which could potentially induce additional latency.

Another concern is, latency of DOM itself. Typically, DOM residing on our computers receives the raw tick stream . In the cloud implementation, either the DOM is generated on the servers with on the servers, and the data is encapsulated by additional protocols before it is sent clients. I would guess there would be additional latency involved.

I would remain skeptical until it is proven that cloud solution is as fast as the desktop solution.

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Thanks. You must be a scalper to be worried about the risk of a liitle bit of an increase in latency. Look at my profile out to the LHS of this post and note where I live - I can only dream about the lack of latency where you live. But in any event my trading style is not going to be impacted by it. Rather, the cloud will give me huge benefits as my biggest risk being so far away is losing internet connection with the USA and maybe even phone connection at the same time.

Just as an aside a TT representative posted the following comment on another forum suggesting overall latency is actually improved overall compared to their other platforms:
"This platform's automated trading components (Autospreader, ADL, and custom code algos) are significantly faster than X_TRADER. For example, in our lab, autospreader hedge latency for X_TRADER is 315us while for TT it's 110us. On "nirvana" setups, they are 260us and 60us respectively. We expect that latency on a "nirvana" setup to be closer to 40us by the end of the year."

and this from TT's product web page:

"All orders entered through TT execute on co-located servers for ultra-low-latency performance. In fact, tests show the new architecture performs faster than TT's existing technology. And TT provides transparency into internal latency numbers so you can adjust and optimize performance."

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This concept of Cloud solution for trading has to be proved.

Could Solution works well for typical office applications. Its main advantage is cost reduction and centralization.

In trading, our applications are time sensitive. Even delay in milliseconds would cause slippage. In a typical desktop application, when we submit an order on the DOM, the trading platform submits the order directly to the exchanges using the API (direct) interface. In the Cloud solution, the DOM actually runs on the Servers in the cloud. Submitting an order becomes a two-step process. Servers first receive the order from the client (us) and then submits it to the exchanges which could potentially induce additional latency.

Another concern is, latency of DOM itself. Typically, DOM residing on our computers receives the raw tick stream . In the cloud implementation, either the DOM is generated on the servers with on the servers, and the data is encapsulated by additional protocols before it is sent clients. I would guess there would be additional latency involved.

I would remain skeptical until it is proven that cloud solution is as fast as the desktop solution.

Orders are sent to the exchange DIRECTLY, through a direct-connect.
The data on the DOM is directly from CQG. Put it side by side with your desktop DOM.

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Orders are sent to the exchange DIRECTLY, through a direct-connect.
The data on the DOM is directly from CQG. Put it side by Side with your desktop DOM.

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I intend to visually inspect both DOMs are keeping. There is no way for me to test the order execution differences for me.

The point I am trying to make is, my desktop DOM (MarketDelta Trader) is directly connected to CQG, so the orders are sent directly to CQG from my desktop. If I am not wrong, the Cloud DOM order first goes to the Cloud Servers and then to CQG. Someone has to measure the latency penalty.

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@cogito

Thanks. You must be a scalper to be worried about the risk of a liitle bit of an increase in latency. Look at my profile out to the LHS of this post and note where I live - I can only dream about the lack of latency where you live. But in any event my trading style is not going to be impacted by it. Rather, the cloud will give me huge benefits as my biggest risk being so far away is losing internet connection with the USA and maybe even phone connection at the same time.

You make a good business case for Cloud Solution.

From my perspective, cost is the same whether you are a scalper or a position trader. If the average slippage is half a tick, it really doesnt matter whether I trade 100 1-lot orders or 1 100-lot order.


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@cogito

Just as an aside a TT representative posted the following comment on another forum suggesting overall latency is actually improved overall compared to their other platforms:
"This platform's automated trading components (Autospreader, ADL, and custom code algos) are significantly faster than X_TRADER. For example, in our lab, autospreader hedge latency for X_TRADER is 315us while for TT it's 110us. On "nirvana" setups, they are 260us and 60us respectively. We expect that latency on a "nirvana" setup to be closer to 40us by the end of the year."

I believe that only applies to back-end. Unless I am sitting in a data center....



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and this from TT's product web page:

"All orders entered through TT execute on co-located servers for ultra-low-latency performance. In fact, tests show the new architecture performs faster than TT's existing technology. And TT provides transparency into internal latency numbers so you can adjust and optimize performance."

Of course, that's the advantage of co-location. That is why algos are co-located.

For us mortals, the real comparison of order execution should be between

Desktop --> Exchange

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I intend to visually inspect both DOMs are keeping. There is no way for me to test the order execution differences for me.

The point I am trying to make is, my desktop DOM (MarketDelta Trader) is directly connected to CQG, so the orders are sent directly to CQG from my desktop. If I am not wrong, the Cloud DOM order first goes to the Cloud Servers and then to CQG. Someone has to measure the latency penalty.

Yes, actual execution would really be better than theoretical arguments about latency.
But again, I think you are wrong as far as order execution and data, all orders go to the exchange.
I think the cloud is just used for your settings.
Your concern was actually something that I thought about with other cloud solution before this thread created, but the more I talk to the tech guys that support cloud infrastructure, the more I realize that they also thought of these issues and they do send orders to the exchange.

I find it interesting that you use MarketDelta Trader because Trevor would not release, IMHO, any software without making a direct comparison to his own desktop application. I hope @MarketDelta would chime to answer shortly.

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You make a good business case for Cloud Solution.

Of course, that's the advantage of co-location. That is why algos are co-located.

For us mortals, the real comparison of order execution should be between

Desktop --> Exchange

vs

Thin-Client (Cloud Solution) -> Cloud Server -> Exchange

Hi Everyone, lots of great questions about our new cloud solution and I will try to respond individually. As Big Mike said earlier, we will get a webinar scheduled so you can see the platform.

@cogito - Our cloud app runs 100% in your browser and makes a direct connect to the Exchange via CQG...just like your desktop software. Only difference is the MD Cloud runs within your browser and your desktop app runs on your desktop. There is no way we would try to be a middleman and route the orders through another set of servers. Our servers simply serve up the app when you login and save your user profile so it is always backup and there in case you login from another computer.

We know speed is crucial to traders and use it ourselves to trade. In testing we ran it against several desktop DOM's and it performed faster or just as fast in ALL cases. In fast/volatile markets it performed much better. The data delivery is optimized for speed and efficiency and does extremely well in all market conditions.

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Interesting.

No mention of footprint charts. Does it mean the MarketDelta Cloud charting is not based on Investor/RT?

The MarketDelta Cloud not a niche software product like MarketDelta Charts. The MD Cloud is a broad trading and charting product intended to be useable by anyone who trades futures and not just traders more specialized in order flow and volume profiling. The MD Cloud doesn't have our Footprint chart technology nor does it have Market Profile built into it.

It was solely developed by our own in house MD dev team...we hope you like it!

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The MarketDelta Cloud not a niche software product like MarketDelta Charts. The MD Cloud is a broad trading and charting product intended to be useable by anyone who trades futures and not just traders more specialized in order flow and volume profiling. The MD Cloud doesn't have our Footprint chart technology nor does it have Market Profile built into it.

It was solely developed by our own in house MD dev team...we hope you like it!

Hi Trevor,

I'm curious as to the reasons why the cloud product excludes these features. Is it a design choice, a brand choice, a technical limitation within HTML5? Something you plan to add in the future?

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Very nice, got a demo earlier and playing with it. Seems pretty fast and easy to use. Only thing I don't like is I can't draw on the charts (or I haven't figured that out yet.) So no trendlines or harmonic butterflies...

@tturner86 Drawing on charts is coming soon...it's not in the product yet.

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got my interest...I'd like to give it a spin if my brokers support it.

MarketDelta Cloud will work with any broker or FCM that supports CQG and there are 100's of them. While we haven't yet contacted them all, it technically can be made available to them any of them within a day or so if they contact us. They just need to enable your login for MarketDeltaCloud.

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I only see time based bars, no Vol or Tick. Chart studies are prepackaged, you can adjust settings on them but limited to what is available. (which is quite a bit, from MAs to RSI and everything in between.) I don't see anyway to mark on the charts, lines, boxes, text ect. Also seems hard to select how much data to load on the chart. Like NT I can set it to load 5 days or 5 months. I also couldn't find a continuous contract (probably there, just hard to find) to view a yearly/multi year timeframe.

Overall it seems solid, but these limitations make it hard to use as my main chart.

Time based charts for now but more on the way. All the drawing tools will be coming soon as well. It is a very solid platform that covers all the bases for the average user, but sophisticated or power users will have wait for their feature sets.

People use cloud apps everyday because of their easy of use, accessibility, and the fact they aren't bloated with years worth of features they will never use, let alone figure out. That's what we are doing with the MD Cloud. Hope you enjoy!

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Got the email and tried to sign up for a sim account but keep getting errors :-( Not a good start. Have sent them a tweet about it so wait and see.

@TraderFish - try again. The launch was overwhelmingly successful and we ran out of demo logins which is the error you saw...No kidding!

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Hi Trevor,

I'm curious as to the reasons why the cloud product excludes these features. Is it a design choice, a brand choice, a technical limitation within HTML5? Something you plan to add in the future?

Mike

This is a brand new product from the ground up. We are pushing the limits of technology no doubt, but somebody has too! At MarketDelta we firmly believe the cloud holds the future of trading and how people want to access the markets. We excluded the Footprint, TPO Profile, and other features only because they serve a small portion of the overall trading community.

For the cloud we focused on what brings the most value to the average trader and are providing it within a platform (the cloud) that is very cost effective and will provide easy access to the markets on any device, anywhere.

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This is a brand new product from the ground up. We are pushing the limits of technology no doubt, but somebody has too! At MarketDelta we firmly believe the cloud holds the future of trading and how people want to access the markets. We excluded the Footprint, TPO Profile, and other features only because they serve a small portion of the overall trading community.

For the cloud we focused on what brings the most value to the average trader and are providing it within a platform (the cloud) that is very cost effective and will provide easy access to the markets on any device, anywhere.

Thanks Trevor. Interesting to learn about Footprint and Profile being a smaller subset, I would have thought within your customer base those were quite popular.

I completely agree with you on the cloud being the future for all the back-end work and heavy lifting, and just a very lightweight client sitting on the client workstation side (whether it's HTML5 or whatever). The advantages are enormous.

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MarketDelta Cloud will work with any broker or FCM that supports CQG and there are 100's of them. While we haven't yet contacted them all, it technically can be made available to them any of them within a day or so if they contact us. They just need to enable your login for MarketDeltaCloud.

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We had a customer ask us to enable this service. Since this is new to us, we checked with CQG on the procedure and they informed us that to enable your service, it will cost $25 per month per user plus $0.25 per contract. This conflicts with your website that references the service is free of charge. Can you please clarify?

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@MarketDelta thank you, it looks like a very solid platform and I am really impressed with it so far.

I was unable to find avg fill price when I entered a product. On positions it just showed the p/l and not avg price. Played with it a bit but was hard to tell what my entry price was across multiple orders (in same product).

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We had a customer ask us to enable this service. Since this is new to us, we checked with CQG on the procedure and they informed us that to enable your service, it will cost $25 per month per user plus $0.25 per contract. This conflicts with your website that references the service is free of charge. Can you please clarify?

Those are CQG fees and have nothing to do with the platform. $25 are CQG charges comprised of $10 CQG FIX monthly fee and $15 CME non-pro bundle. Those charges apply to every single CQG username.

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We had a customer ask us to enable this service. Since this is new to us, we checked with CQG on the procedure and they informed us that to enable your service, it will cost $25 per month per user plus $0.25 per contract. This conflicts with your website that references the service is free of charge. Can you please clarify?

I had similar experience. MarketDelta Trader is listed as "free" tool on their website. MarketDelta Trader feeds the data to MarketDelta Charts and Investor/RT. For that purpose, it is free, but to trade with it costs $0.10/contract (in addition to the CQG data fee). I am not complaining because, the broker made it clear to me when I was signing up.

Obviously MarketDelta cannot survive giving the products away for free, but I wish their website is little more clear about what is free and what costs $$.

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We know speed is crucial to traders and use it ourselves to trade. In testing we ran it against several desktop DOM's and it performed faster or just as fast in ALL cases. In fast/volatile markets it performed much better. The data delivery is optimized for speed and efficiency and does extremely well in all market conditions.

Good to hear.

For a person like me, it could be a good tool to use when I am away as long as I can use with the same account. I will give it a spin.

Any plans for Mobile Version?

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Those are CQG fees and have nothing to do with the platform. $25 are CQG charges comprised of $10 CQG FIX monthly fee and $15 CME non-pro bundle. Those charges apply to every single CQG username.

Optimus has NO Monthly Platform Fee and No extra $0.25 per contract fee. So these charges are broker specific.
Yes, $15 will apply for CME will apply.

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Good to hear.

Any plans for Mobile Version?

Yes, MarketDelta Cloud will be available on tablet and smartphones by end of year we expect at no additional cost or hassle. "Just login"...seems like I am saying that a lot this week!

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Optimus has NO Monthly Platform Fee and No extra $0.25 per contract fee. So these charges are broker specific.
Yes, $15 will apply for CME will apply.

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$0.25 per side applies to CQG front-ends

I'm sure we are talking about the same things but from different PoVs.

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$0.25 per side applies to CQG front-ends

I'm sure we are talking about the same things but from different PoVs.

No we don't. Some platforms are only only 10 cents per side driven by CQG data.
Different FCM, and IBs may have a different arrangements.
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Time based charts for now but more on the way. All the drawing tools will be coming soon as well. It is a very solid platform that covers all the bases for the average user, but sophisticated or power users will have wait for their feature sets.

Interesting concept. Looks like I will be waiting for the feature set that includes renko's before I take a free trial. But since I just bought BookMap and PriceSquawk I doubt I would use it for real trading for some time. This is still a great direction to take trading and I hope it all goes well for everyone involved! Looking forward to the day this can do ANYTHING that Ninja can do!

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We had a customer ask us to enable this service. Since this is new to us, we checked with CQG on the procedure and they informed us that to enable your service, it will cost $25 per month per user plus $0.25 per contract. This conflicts with your website that references the service is free of charge. Can you please clarify?

Hi NT, first I will clarify the pricing. The prices you mention are related to order routing costs and charged by CQG via the broker, not MarketDelta. No matter the platform, there are order routing costs (as you well know) and these are either passed along or massaged into other transactional costs that occur when someone trades.

MarketDelta Cloud does NOT charge a monthly/quarterly/annual subscription fee or a "lifetime" license fee. The MarketDelta Cloud is free and we do not charge the customer to access our cloud based trading and charting platform. If the customer decides to open a live trading account order routing fees and CME fees apply and would reflect on their statement.

Secondly, and on a more personal note, MarketDelta has instructed CQG to cut off access to the MarketDelta Cloud for NinjaTrader Brokerage effective immediately. This simply means customers who want to use MarketDelta Cloud will need to use it at any broker other than Ninjatrader brokerage. I am sure you understand the logic behind it.

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No we don't. Some platforms are only only 10 cents per side driven by CQG data.
Different FCM, and IBs may have a different arrangements.
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Well, I know how the things work.

Speaking of which, what firm are you with? Your profile needs to be updated.

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Trevor, If I can put in my 2 cents. MarketDelta Cloud should focus more on the execution side as well as the admin side of execution (ie reporting).

In my experience, experienced traders usually care more about the execution and reporting, not all the fancy and irrelevant stuff that beginners are fascinated with. I.E experienced traders are not in the business of learning methods. In that regard, the MD Cloud should not compete in terms of features with other platforms.
I assure you that most organized traders want one solution for execution.

Also, as beginners become more advanced, they also navigate towards simplicity, so the input from those who trade is priceless. Keep in in mind that even the most sophisticated traders use approximately 20% from all the available bells and whistles, so any suggestions should always be viewed against the question of "Will traders use it and is it necessary?".

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@MarketDelta Trevor, just out of curiosity, how long ago did you decide to make this cloud product? And how much actual development time was spent bringing it to market after you gave the green light?

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Trevor, If I can put in my 2 cents. MarketDelta Cloud should focus more on the execution side as well as the admin side of execution (ie reporting).

In my experience, experienced traders usually care more about the execution and reporting, not all the fancy and irrelevant stuff that beginners are fascinated with. I.E experienced traders are not in the business of learning methods. In that regard, the MD Cloud should not compete in terms of features with other platforms.
I assure you that most organized traders want one solution for execution.

Also, as beginners become more advanced, they also navigate towards simplicity, so the input from those who trade is priceless. Keep in in mind that even the most sophisticated traders use approximately 20% from all the available bells and whistles, so any suggestions should always be viewed against the question of "Will traders use it and is it necessary?".

I know, one day at a time. Good Start Trev! Proud of you.

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I agree with some of what you are saying.

However, when I think of cloud - I think of availability, performance, scalability, accessibility. My first thoughts aren't about features, except that certain features are hopefully far faster (performance).

For example, a cloud based platform that supported backtesting would be a no brainer in the cloud, in my opinion. This is because the platform can be built to off-load all the heavy lifting to the back-end servers, and hide all of that from the end-user. All the tick data is local to the cloud, and the cloud can spin off a task to do a backtest on behalf of the user and leverage far more scalable computing power to do it.

Obvious other advantages are in the ability to have a single point of reference. One workspace, anywhere. Whether it's my workstation, my tablet, or my phone, I don't have to make compromises. That's an advantage of the cloud.

If the platform is capable of running automated trading, then for most users who don't already co-locate, the latency advantage would be big. For those that do co-locate, they are doing their own thing anyway and aren't likely to be looking for this type of solution as a replacement.

I do agree with the reporting and analytical side of what you said @mattz. Definitely an area where TT has an advantage when it comes to firms/dealers/funds/managers.

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Just accessed the demo site for the first time.

It seems it only works with single sign on options with Google, Yahoo or AOL (seriously, AOL?). While those are handy, I don't like being forced to tie it to one of them, mainly because I have like 5 google accounts and am not signed in to the right one right now, and can't easily switch without disrupting a lot of other stuff in other tabs.

So, first feedback @MarketDelta is give us an independent option to sign-up without the single sign on from these providers. I assume there are others like me, and I just closed the page.



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@MarketDelta just FYI the demo issue is resolved now :-) Look forward to havign a play and will let you know what I think

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I agree with @Big Mike

I for one love single sign-on for MOST things (and would be happy to use it for this via my trading dedicated google account), but there are things I wont use it for, and I imagine others will be the same with a trading cloud service.

Obviously the more options available the greater amount of potential users.

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I agree with @BigMike

I for one love single sign-on for MOST things (and would be happy to use it for this via my trading dedicated google account), but there are things I wont use it for, and I imagine others will be the same with a trading cloud service.

Obviously the more options available the greater amount of potential users.

I've seen worse... there was a certain platform vendor here a few years ago that required people to "Like" them on Facebook before you were allowed to download the product. Not making that up. I don't even have a Facebook account, nor will I ever...

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I've seen worse... there was a certain platform vendor here a few years ago that required people to "Like" them on Facebook before you were allowed to download the product. Not making that up. I don't even have a Facebook account, nor will I ever...

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Yes, I am happy they went back to software development. Some are marketers, some are developers. The two dont mix well apparently.

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There will be an upcoming webinar with Trevor to demo the new product soon on futures.io.

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For those who can't wait for the futures.io webinar, I have just had an email from AMP stating they have Trevor presenting a webinar this afternoon at 3.30pm CST.

Maybe there will be an opportunity to put questions to Trevor during the presentation.
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I for one will be hoping he covers a bit more around where yours orders sit at different stages of the process, especially OCO types - my interest is from a risk mitigation/disaster planning perspective where I am hoping cloud solutions will provide real benefits to someone who lives half a world away.

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I have not used MarketDelta products in the past, but I am very much look forwarding to adopting this new solution. I imagine many will start to use this as I intend, which is as their execution platform, versus an analysis platform with all the bells and whistles that can stay on my desktop for now. As such, I would focus first on execution related advancements, like drag-and-drop on the DOM and Chart Trading. As soon as there is trading directly from the chart, this will become my primary execution platform.

Of course, overtime, more and more of the bells and whistles from the desktop can be migrated to the cloud, but that can take its natural course in terms of time.

Congrats on skating to where the puck is headed...

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How about a "Futures.io" widget so I can browse my favorite trading forum while trading, all from the same page of my browser which is running on my chromebook while I drink coffee at Starbucks?

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How about a "Futures.io" widget so I can browse my favorite trading forum while trading, all from the same page of my browser which is running on my chromebook while I drink coffee at Starbucks?

Don't mind him, he's from LA.

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Just accessed the demo site for the first time.

It seems it only works with single sign on options with Google, Yahoo or AOL (seriously, AOL?). While those are handy, I don't like being forced to tie it to one of them, mainly because I have like 5 google accounts and am not signed in to the right one right now, and can't easily switch without disrupting a lot of other stuff in other tabs.

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I too have multiple gmail accounts and the process works very smoothly. In fact, it is just one extra click to choose which account you want to authenticate with MarketDelta Cloud. It does NOT log you out of your other google accounts if they are open in other tabs. Here is a screenshot showing that one extra step to choose which account you want to use.



Most cloud based apps provide this type of sign-on because it provides an added layer of security and authentication that these companies have literally spent billions perfecting. The only info we receive during the registration process is your email address...that is it. The process uses the email you select during the signup process and authenticates it with Google, Yahoo, or AOL and then passes the email back to us if valid. The signup process also allows us to get you signed up without having to send unnecessary email to validate your email....and who needs another email in their inbox!

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Interesting concept. Looks like I will be waiting for the feature set that includes renko's before I take a free trial.

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@SatchFan - Renko is on it way!


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I prefer this form of Renko chart which includes all price information ie shows wicks and tails.

This is a 7T ES chart ie takes a 14T bar to reverse.


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@MarketDelta

I prefer this form of Renko chart which includes all price information ie shows wicks and tails.

This is a 7T ES chart ie takes a 14T bar to reverse.

I agree steve2222, I use SI Pro Renkos which show the same info. But I also realize Rome wasn't built in a day so I know once he gets the renkos up, he will be blitzed with these type of renko modification requests. I'll just wait it out.

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@SatchFan - Renko is on it way!


What about just regular range and vol bars?

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@MarketDelta regarding the upcoming prefer management feature changes, is there a link with release notes on what's changed/when, or a list of planned/upcoming features?

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There isn't a public release notes available right now. However, the short list of upcoming major features are chart drawing tools, automated order management (server side bracket orders, OCO's, etc.), and tablet/smart phone access.

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and tablet/smart phone access.

Can you clarify this point? I don't understand.

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Can you clarify this point? I don't understand.

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You can't access the platform on a mobile device at the moment (via browser).

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You can't access the platform on a mobile device at the moment (via browser).

Huh? I thought that was the whole point.

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Huh? I thought that was the whole point.

Mike

We have currently limited our cloud platform to only be accessible on PC's and MAC's. We are not permitting the app to run on tablets or mobile devices until we finalize design and formatting for these devices. It is not as simple as a responsive web page. There is a lot of functionality within a cloud based trading app that needs to be thoughtfully considered for touch screens. Because of this, we want to make sure we get it right and build something everyone will enjoy using.

One of the core benefits of the cloud is users will be able to login on any device and access their information, layouts, symbols, positions, watchlists, etc. and have everything formatted for device and sync across all devices.

Hope this clarifies things a bit, but if not let me know.

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We have currently limited our cloud platform to only be accessible on PC's and MAC's. We are not permitting the app to run on tablets or mobile devices until we finalize design and formatting for these devices.

OK, do you have an ETA for this?

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@MarketDelta,

How does data work for the cloud service?

Do I get to choose my data provider? Can I choose DTN IQFeed for example?

And how does billing and integration work for data?

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How does data work for the cloud service?

Real time, historical, and order routing are provided exclusively through CQG. After registering for MarketDelta Cloud you need to request a demo account. This can be done from right within the app and CQG will email you the credentials. For live accounts your broker simply needs to enable your login for "MarketDelta Cloud".

When running MD Cloud, your browser is directly connected to CQG and is not routing orders through our servers. This keeps the cloud solution as fast or faster than a desktop solution.


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Do I get to choose my data provider? Can I choose DTN IQFeed for example?

It doesn't work with DTN IQFeed and there is no choice between data providers. From a technology perspective, the choices are very few for cloud based data and order routing solutions.


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And how does billing and integration work for data?

All a user needs to do in enter their login credentials and the app automatically connects. When you login to MarketDelta Cloud from any computer the app is pulled down from our servers and your saved settings and profile loaded. It automatically connects to data and everything lights up.

As for billing, the brokers will hit your statement for the CQG and exchange data fees each month. These fees vary from FCM to FCM because of agreements they have for costs. A typical data cost would be $25/month for both realtime and historical. MarketDelta Cloud is free and we don't charge any extra data fees.

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Thanks Trevor, that clears it up.

How much historical data is available for futures symbols? And some of us need to use tick data for certain studies like Volume Profile, how far back does it go?

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@mattz @MarketDelta - is it true the Cloud version now supports Range and Renko charts as per Trevor's answer to a question in the interview? Last time I looked it did not (my trial has run out so I will need to renew it if Range and Renko are now available).

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@mattz - is it true the Cloud version now supports Range and Renko charts as per Trevor's answer to a question in the interview? Last time I looked it did not (my trial has run out so I will need to renew it if Range and Renko are now available).

@steve2222 - when Matt's article was being published MD was expecting to have the Range and Renko charts already available but we got a little bit delayed...our bad. However, we are expecting to have them available later this week along with a bunch of others including Heikin-Ashi, Kagi, Line Break, and Point & Figure.

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How much historical data is available for futures symbols? And some of us need to use tick data for certain studies like Volume Profile, how far back does it go?Mike

At this time I believe it is 3 days of tick, 3 months of 1 min data, and 3 years of daily bars.

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Any plans for showing actual transactions and volume on the dom?

@romajc - yes all these things will be added in due time.

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@MarketDelta What is the schedule for mobile/tablet version?

For mobile/tablet we estimate availability sometime in February, 2016. Lots of good stuff coming between now and then though!

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Hi @MarketDelta, I see DOM is featured in MarketDelta Cloud. Does it come with bracket order? If yes, I think I get rid of CQG Trader altogether.

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Hi @MarketDelta, I see DOM is featured in MarketDelta Cloud. Does it come with bracket order? If yes, I think I get rid of CQG Trader altogether.

Bracket order functionality will be available in early January, if not sooner. Stay tuned!

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Trevor added the ATOM feature. Watch it.


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Trevor added the ATOM feature. Watch it.


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They have added range bars, but there appears to be no way to set the parameter for the size? Do you know how to do it?

Right now there is no way to do. They make it on a "best fit calculation" for better chart display.
They did inform me that they will make it configurable.

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Hi @MarketDelta, I see DOM is featured in MarketDelta Cloud. Does it come with bracket order? If yes, I think I get rid of CQG Trader altogether.

Yes, bracket orders are now included free of charge with the latest release of MarketDelta Cloud. Here is a short video showing how to build a bracket order.


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Forgot to ask one more thing: does the cloud app work with Rithmic data/broker?

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Forgot to ask one more thing: does the cloud app work with Rithmic data/broker?

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Only CQG for now.

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Forgot to ask one more thing: does the cloud app work with Rithmic data/broker?

Hi Shzhning - MD Cloud works with CQG data exclusively. Chances are your broker also supports CQG if they support Rithmic, so just ask your broker or have them give us a call at 1-312-922-7800. We will be happy to answer any questions.

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If I already had a CQG log in and was using Q Trader, then can I use market Delta free with no additional charge ie not have to pay the CMe fee again

When I execute trades through q Trader there is a $0.25 transaction cost if I am using the same login will there be the same $0.25 if I execute through market Delta

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If I already had a CQG log in and was using Q Trader, then can I use market Delta free with no additional charge ie not have to pay the CMe fee again

When I execute trades through q Trader there is a $0.25 transaction cost if I am using the same login will there be the same $0.25 if I execute through market Delta

I checked with Dorman Trading (one of the FCM's offering MarketDelta Cloud) and they said as long as it is the same CQG login you will not have a 2nd set of market data fees.

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Can I specify a OCO bracket order in Market Delta Cloud and have the stop move to another location once price hits a certain level?

So I prepare in the ATOM an OCO bracket order where target is 10 ticks and stop is 10 ticks and when market moves 4 ticks in my favor I want to see the stop move to breakeven plus 1.

Example: I go long by the click of the mouse and the ATOM is activated automatically as I preselected the ATOM earlier.
1. Long at 1905. So target is at 1907.50 and stop at 1902.50
2. Once prices touches/reaches 1906, the stop is moved from 1902.50 to 1905.25 (breakeven plus one)

I can use the same ATOM and by the mouse click I can go short as well with the same scenario.

Question: Is this possible in Market Delta cloud? If yes: could be the trigger to drop Ninja.

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Doubtful. I just opened an account and I don't even see a way to modify limit orders period.

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Doubtful. I just opened an account and I don't even see a way to modify limit orders period.

At the bottom you will see "Working Orders" click on it, and then the Pencil Icon and a window should show up.
Then modify it.

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At the bottom you will see "Working Orders" click on it, and then the Pencil Icon and a window should show up.
Then modify it.

Hope this helps.

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That must be an option once the order is filled.

I see the edit column but there is no way to click on it. I will have to test it out when the order gets filled.

I like the platform for the online capabilities but it is still lacking on many basic features.

For instance, it appears in order for me to change the oco order before it gets filled I would have to cancel it and create a whole new order.

In all platforms I have used you can see the pending oco limit and stop orders and drag them around to different prices.

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That must be an option once the order is filled.

I see the edit column but there is no way to click on it. I will have to test it out when the order gets filled.

I like the platform for the online capabilities but it is still lacking on many basic features.

For instance, it appears in order for me to change the oco order before it gets filled I would have to cancel it and create a whole new order.

In all platforms I have used you can see the pending oco limit and stop orders and drag them around to different prices.

Working orders are orders that have not been filled. Maybe this helps


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Working orders are orders that have not been filled. Maybe this helps


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Hmmmmm.... not working for me.


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I like the platform for the online capabilities but it is still lacking on many basic features.

For instance, it appears in order for me to change the oco order before it gets filled I would have to cancel it and create a whole new order.

In all platforms I have used you can see the pending oco limit and stop orders and drag them around to different prices.

Great question here...basically if you are working and order that has an OCO attached to it we do not allow you to edit the working order. Instead, you need to cancel it and simply place the new order. I am certain this will be something we will improve in a future update to the platform. For now, it is simple enough to cancel the order with a single click on the DOM and place a new one with another click.

FWIW, limit and stop orders placed without an attached OCO are editable.


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Can I specify a OCO bracket order in Market Delta Cloud and have the stop move to another location once price hits a certain level?

So I prepare in the ATOM an OCO bracket order where target is 10 ticks and stop is 10 ticks and when market moves 4 ticks in my favor I want to see the stop move to breakeven plus 1.

Example: I go long by the click of the mouse and the ATOM is activated automatically as I preselected the ATOM earlier.
1. Long at 1905. So target is at 1907.50 and stop at 1902.50
2. Once prices touches/reaches 1906, the stop is moved from 1902.50 to 1905.25 (breakeven plus one)

I can use the same ATOM and by the mouse click I can go short as well with the same scenario.

Question: Is this possible in Market Delta cloud? If yes: could be the trigger to drop Ninja.

We would call this functionality a "breakeven" strategy and this isn't in MarketDelta Cloud as of yet. It will be at some point.

However, we do have trailing stop functionality and DOM triggered trailing stops. Here is a video showing how the trailing stops work. Or visit this link to learn more about the strategies offered: MarketDelta Support : ATOM


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