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Just wondering if any of you have had experience with the Fibonacci/Galactic Trader 4 Platform?

It seems very odd and very old... But capable of some things I haven't witnessed before. Not sure if I can post a link to the website or not without Mod's thinking I'm promoting it?

Any input would be cool on this product.

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I think that the Fibonacci / Galactic Trader is an offshoot of Robert Krausz' Fibonacci Trader.

Robert Krausz passed away in 2002.

His website, Fibonacci Trader - The First Multiple Time Frame Software for Traders is still online.

I have implemented the majority of the features for NinjaTrader 7.

Part of it comes with the SessionPivots that are available in the download section of this forum.


I am not into galactic trading though.

The Galactic Trader strongly recommends the use of WIN 2000 or XP.

I do not think that it is worth studying stuff that is visibly outdated.

Also I would be lost using that type of information ..... looks like random lines, and plenty of them.



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would like to duplicate some of the stuff this guy has done, like filtering with indicators on multiple time frames: [yt]https://www.youtube.com/user/yurips1/videos[/yt]

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would like to duplicate some of the stuff this guy has done, like filtering with indicators on multiple time frames: [yt]https://www.youtube.com/user/yurips1/videos[/yt]

How does this fit into this thread about the Galactic Trader? Also there are numerious videos, no one will have the time to watch all this stuff. Could you be more precise?

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play some video then you can see it fits galactic theme to the max.

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play some video then you can see it fits galactic theme to the max.

I am not trading for entertainment, but for money.

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He's using Fibonacci/galactic trader charting package.

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I think that the Fibonacci / Galactic Trader is an offshoot of Robert Krausz' Fibonacci Trader.

Robert Krausz passed away in 2002.

His website, Fibonacci Trader - The First Multiple Time Frame Software for Traders is still online.

I have implemented the majority of the features for NinjaTrader 7.

Part of it comes with the SessionPivots that are available in the download section of this forum.


I am not into galactic trading though.

The Galactic Trader strongly recommends the use of WIN 2000 or XP.

I do not think that it is worth studying stuff that is visibly outdated.

Also I would be lost using that type of information ..... looks like random lines, and plenty of them.




Thank you very much for the information!

I believe what zxxaxz was reffering to, is the capability of adding indicators with a different data series to the same chart.

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Just wondering if any of you have had experience with the Fibonacci/Galactic Trader 4 Platform?

It seems very odd and very old... But capable of some things I haven't witnessed before. Not sure if I can post a link to the website or not without Mod's thinking I'm promoting it?

Any input would be cool on this product.

Thanks

Fib numbers are useless in non-deterministic market,,, any use of fib in your trading is nothing except an excuse to throw your money in the bin ,,

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Fib numbers are useless in non-deterministic market,,, any use of fib in your trading is nothing except an excuse to throw your money in the bin ,,

If you think that markets are entirley non-deterministic, then you should not trade.

Fibs can work well, if you make proper use of them.

-> first of all fib levels are used by a bunch of traders which validates them based on self-fulfilling prophecy
-> and then there are specific patterns - such as a Gartley pattern - which tell you a story

The bearish Gartley pattern tells you that after a sustained uptrend and a fast down move, bulls are unable to test the final swing high after they pushed up prices twice (two up-legs).

It is not the exact Fibonacci ratios that count. Whether you take 23.6/38.2/50.0/61.8/78.6 or 25.0/37.5/50.0/62.5/75.0 is not that important.

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If you think that markets are entirley non-deterministic, then you should not trade.

Fibs can work well, if you make proper use of them.

-> first of all fib levels are used by a bunch of traders which validates them based on self-fulfilling prophecy
-> and then there are specific patterns - such as a Gartley pattern - which tell you a story

The bearish Gartley pattern tells you that after a sustained uptrend and a fast down move, bulls are unable to test the final swing high after they pushed up prices twice (two up-legs).

It is not the exact Fibonacci ratios that count. Whether you take 23.6/38.2/50.0/61.8/78.6 or 25.0/37.5/50.0/62.5/75.0 is not that important.

The problem with preachers of FIB level is that where ever the price stops it is near to one of the FIB levels and this gives traders the illusion of market obeying these level .
Market is none- deterministic which means consciousness plays a major role in price action . you cannot apply FIB levels to consciousness. FIB levels are all over the nature from universe to the shape of your face and so on but when it comes to human cognitive behavior it fails to perform ,, the fact that so many traders are using it supports that so manytraders are still in 100 years old classical TA school of thought ,, time to move on to modern risk based technical frame work to achieve success lol.

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The problem with preachers of FIB

As a newbie on futures.io (formerly BMT) perhaps you should not be so critical.
With 7 posts... all of them are negative comments except the one below... Which seems to be true.

Maybe you should start your own thread about how you trade???
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I just joined and have no idea how to post on this forum,, Damn I am so dumb


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With every tool there need to be a plan. Fib is a very nice tool for target if you understand what's going on. I say it's not that simple. And it takes a lot of time to understand it. Every thing ind this world is about probability. Some like indicators or just think they have the right feeling today or what ever. Without a plan it will not work for what ever tool there are in use.

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As a newbie on futures.io (formerly BMT) perhaps you should not be so critical.
With 7 posts... all of them are negative comments except the one below... Which seems to be true.

Maybe you should start your own thread about how you trade???
FWIW


Thank you ,, I will open a new thread,, being critical is good , it makes people either to call me stupid or THINK about what they do ,, I hope it is the later but if it is the former I am fine with that too ,,

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Thank you ,, I will open a new thread,, being critical is good , it makes people either to call me stupid or THINK about what they do ,, I hope it is the later but if it is the former I am fine with that too ,,

@Grey1: Criticism is good, but serious contributions usually do not come as one-liners. There are both arguments in favor of and against the use of Fibonacci tools. Let me start with the negative points:


Negative: The golden ratio is considered as being sort of a natural law that applies to all sorts of living creatures from cactuses to scallops, and which should be applied to the markets. I have searched and never found any scientific argument that explains why Fibonacci ratios should work better than any other ratios for describing time series. And yes, you are correct: Technical Analysis comes with a lot of mumbo-jumbo starting with the square of nine, wave counting and ending with magical numbers such as the fibonacci ratio.

Positive: Fibonacci brought modern mathematics to medieval Europe. Traders identify themselves with his findings, as his "Liber Abaci" is one of the most important works for the further development of Italy ( ... just imagine that the Italian states had continued to use Roman numbers. ). Although non-linear systems are not exhibiting any behaviour linked to Fibonacci numbers, the arbitrary use of Fibonacci numbers creates a positive drain, as the system of Fibonacci numbers is self-sustaining or even self-reinforcing. This is due to some of the properties of the golden ratio. Let us just treat Fibonacci trading as a fad, which once established, has a better chance of surviving the verdict of market analysts than other fads.

In fact, I just bought a placebo treatment for my mother. I know that the medicament does not work, but self-delusion is often an important contributor to success. This also applies to Fibonacci number. And then you can also use them just as a scale to find out how far price has moved. After all the fibonacci ratios are very close to the scale that you get, if you divide 100 intro 8 equal parts. Trading for profits is not science. Everyone needs to find her own landmarks in order to make the right decisions.

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For many people, it is much easier to believe that some natural lines are hit like magic
than to recognize that ANY line that lies within 2 standard deviations should regularly
be hit with a probability of about 95% (fat tails of the distribution ignored for the sake of simplicity ) ...

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You can always find a number or some ATR model where you probability is bigger on the edges. The same thing for fib. The big issue is how you manage your risk and read market in confluence with trend, support/resistance and structure.

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@Grey1: Criticism is good, but serious contributions usually do not come as one-liners. There are both arguments in favor of and against the use of Fibonacci tools. Let me start with the negative points:


Negative: The golden ratio is considered as being sort of a natural law that applies to all sorts of living creatures from cactuses to scallops, and which should be applied to the markets. I have searched and never found any scientific argument that explains why Fibonacci ratios should work better than any other ratios for describing time series. And yes, you are correct: Technical Analysis comes with a lot of mumbo-jumbo starting with the square of nine, wave counting and ending with magical numbers such as the fibonacci ratio.

Positive: Fibonacci brought modern mathematics to medieval Europe. Traders identify themselves with his findings, as his "Liber Abaci" is one of the most important works for the further development of Italy ( ... just imagine that the Italian states had continued to use Roman numbers. ). Although non-linear systems are not exhibiting any behaviour linked to Fibonacci numbers, the arbitrary use of Fibonacci numbers creates a positive drain, as the system of Fibonacci numbers is self-sustaining or even self-reinforcing. This is due to some of the properties of the golden ratio. Let us just treat Fibonacci trading as a fad, which once established, has a better chance of surviving the verdict of market analysts than other fads.

In fact, I just bought a placebo treatment for my mother. I know that the medicament does not work, but self-delusion is often an important contributor to success. This also applies to Fibonacci number. And then you can also use them just as a scale to find out how far price has moved. After all the fibonacci ratios are very close to the scale that you get, if you divide 100 intro 8 equal parts. Trading for profits is not science. Everyone needs to find her own landmarks in order to make the right decisions.

I am new here and still have not be able to allocate the time to make serious and lengthy contribution ,, But I will , Also one liner stuff is not my style ,
There is nothing clever or edgy about fib number when it comes to human behavior and his cognitive nature . FIB numbers are all over the unconscious and materialist world, from the design of flowers, to the universe, the fib foot print is written there and can not be dismissed,, BUT NOT WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN BEHAVIOR,,
I have been involved in the design of many codes for few firms , part of my work was to find out how other big firms codes work and none of them use Fib number in their analysis ,, so why should you ?

I will be outlining the following soon when I get a chance.. ( in a new thread )
1) the modern approach to trading , most of the work will be about risk , risk analysis risk management, and how to calculate risk at any given time easily with out any reference to complicated maths,,
2) total rejection of classical TA, including all its static useless indicators and its most important tool SUPPORT AND RESISTANCE,
I am too old for this ego thing usually seen amongst our younger traders, I am not here to lecture or boost my credibility as we would say in UK , been there done that ,, I write my piece and perhaps handful of you guys take advantage of it and that is what matters to me,,



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@Grey1: Criticism is good, but serious contributions usually do not come as one-liners. There are both arguments in favor of and against the use of Fibonacci tools. Let me start with the negative points:


Negative: The golden ratio is considered as being sort of a natural law that applies to all sorts of living creatures from cactuses to scallops, and which should be applied to the markets. I have searched and never found any scientific argument that explains why Fibonacci ratios should work better than any other ratios for describing time series. And yes, you are correct: Technical Analysis comes with a lot of mumbo-jumbo starting with the square of nine, wave counting and ending with magical numbers such as the fibonacci ratio.

Positive: Fibonacci brought modern mathematics to medieval Europe. Traders identify themselves with his findings, as his "Liber Abaci" is one of the most important works for the further development of Italy ( ... just imagine that the Italian states had continued to use Roman numbers. ). Although non-linear systems are not exhibiting any behaviour linked to Fibonacci numbers, the arbitrary use of Fibonacci numbers creates a positive drain, as the system of Fibonacci numbers is self-sustaining or even self-reinforcing. This is due to some of the properties of the golden ratio. Let us just treat Fibonacci trading as a fad, which once established, has a better chance of surviving the verdict of market analysts than other fads.

In fact, I just bought a placebo treatment for my mother. I know that the medicament does not work, but self-delusion is often an important contributor to success. This also applies to Fibonacci number. And then you can also use them just as a scale to find out how far price has moved. After all the fibonacci ratios are very close to the scale that you get, if you divide 100 intro 8 equal parts. Trading for profits is not science. Everyone needs to find her own landmarks in order to make the right decisions.


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ive been working with someone who uses Fibonacci Trader in the futures market. I have coded several implementations of the pivots in Sierra Chart, and a rough implementation in TOS. if there was interest, id be willing to share the SC version as an elite download.

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one of the modifications that seems to be working well is using the FT fibbo zones, which is basically just a set of pivots based on fib %. in the below screenshot, you can see the 240 minute zones working pretty well to give you a context for overextension and areas to scale out. add in an oscillator like CCI and its a pretty simple mean reversion system

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ive been working with someone who uses Fibonacci Trader in the futures market. I have coded several implementations of the pivots in Sierra Chart, and a rough implementation in TOS. if there was interest, id be willing to share the SC version as an elite download.

TOS implementation of DWM chart from FibTrader


the Sierra Chart implementation of Frank Dilernia's pivot model implementation cribbed from FibTrader

Hello Hobart,
would you be kind enough to share your code / indicators

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I'm also interested in a Sierra Chart implementation of the fib trader indicators.

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