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Hello

Can anyone guide me to make or develop a Super Trend indicator in CQG Qtrader and is it possible or not ?

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Anyone else today experiencing access issues to any CME exchange with CQG?

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Anyone else today experiencing access issues to any CME exchange with CQG?

Never mind, I spoke to support and they sorted it out for me

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After much prodding, it appears that CQG will make good on my request for the next release, which was to add a flatten button to their DOM. Also you may have noticed that they did away with snaptrader, apparently they are working on another form of chart trader, hopefully a better one than snaptrader, something more along the lines of what Ninja/Sierra/Multicharts uses, so you can drag your orders around easily.

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Can anyone guide me to make or develop a Super Trend indicator in CQG Qtrader and is it possible or not ?

2 ideas -

contact CQG they have someone in house that will help with indicators, I do not know how much help they will give you (ie creating a whole new indicator for you? unlikely) but worth a try, and

post a job on a site like Upwork.com, there are coders out there that can do this

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2 ideas -

contact CQG they have someone in house that will help with indicators, I do not know how much help they will give you (ie creating a whole new indicator for you? unlikely) but worth a try, and

post a job on a site like Upwork.com, there are coders out there that can do this

Apparently, the late @Okina's experience was that if you have CQG IC they do coding for you. More unlikely with QTRader...

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Yes, maybe that is what I heard but I have found their customer service ppl to be extremely good and helpful, a ray of sunshine in this little world...

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Yes, maybe that is what I heard but I have found their customer service ppl to be extremely good and helpful, a ray of sunshine in this little world...

My own experience is patchy. Some people good, others less so. But in general their customer support is okay.

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Are you calling in to Chicago or elsewhere?

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Are you calling in to Chicago or elsewhere?

By calling in do you mean talk to someone over the phone?


As for me, whenever I have issues I always use their chat system. If I'm not mistaken they have also a London team, and I guess they pick up my support requests.

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Ahh, I always just call in to their Chicago support team, they have good people there.

Looking forward to the newer version coming out soon

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Ahh, I always just call in to their Chicago support team, they have good people there.

Looking forward to the newer version coming out soon

Do you know what features are announced in this new version you speak of?

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Announcements | CQG News

that's the official list then they did say in the forum that they were trying to get a new version of a chart trader to replace Snaptrader in this release, as well as my request for a flatten button on the dom.

The new forex style quoteboard looks interesting

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Is there a way I can hide all menus except the Dom for 1 page and use a toggle key to switch pages when I want everything? Reason is 1 page for futures trading where I use Sierra charts and the other pages will be for options etc


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Is there a way I can hide all menus except the Dom for 1 page and use a toggle key to switch pages when I want everything? Reason is 1 page for futures trading where I use Sierra charts and the other pages will be for options etc


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Not sure if this answers your question, but you can click on the top left corner of your QTrader to go into "Full Screen" mode as shown here

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Is there a way i can have no bracket orders which are one cancels the other.. so lets say its report day.. and i know a big move will happen..

a) Can i have 1 bracket order to sell and 1 bracket order to buy . If one of them executes, then the other gets cancelled

So lets say the like today with NG i had that on..

The buy bracket order will execute.. but

b) each bracket order i want with 15 ticks stop and 50 ticks target

Is that possible?

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this is what I can think of : you have to place a buy stop with bracket target/stop above current price, and a sell stop with bracket target/stop below current price. You will need to place these 2 orders just before the data release, and depending on which one is filled, you have to manually cancel the other. I do not think the current version offers a way to auto cancel the other.

that said, a word of caution: this strategy may work well in sim, but in live trading you could have both orders filled before you can cancel one of them, and your stop may not get executed. I traded this strategy a few years ago, thinking I have found a gold mine. then the reality always teach you a humbling lesson.

here's a good read on wsj: Natural-Gas Market Stung by High-Speed Traders - WSJ

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Is there a way i can have no bracket orders which are one cancels the other.. so lets say its report day.. and i know a big move will happen..

a) Can i have 1 bracket order to sell and 1 bracket order to buy . If one of them executes, then the other gets cancelled

So lets say the like today with NG i had that on..

The buy bracket order will execute.. but

b) each bracket order i want with 15 ticks stop and 50 ticks target

Is that possible?

thanks in advance to all

Yes, it's possible. However, if you want to activate them during report release, if I were you I would try it several times in SIM before deploying it live.

The reason is, given the speed at which the market goes post-data release, I don't know whether the systems are able to cancel the 2nd bracket order should the market fill you on the first and then race to the second.

Probably best to ask CQG.

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this is what I can think of : you have to place a buy stop with bracket target/stop above current price, and a sell stop with bracket target/stop below current price. You will need to place these 2 orders just before the data release, and depending on which one is filled, you have to manually cancel the other. I do not think the current version offers a way to auto cancel the other.

that said, a word of caution: this strategy may work well in sim, but in live trading you could have both orders filled before you can cancel one of them, and your stop may not get executed. I traded this strategy a few years ago, thinking I have found a gold mine. then the reality always teach you a humbling lesson.

here's a good read on wsj: Natural-Gas Market Stung by High-Speed Traders - WSJ

Just seen shzhning's post above. I agree with him/her about the dangers of doing this in a fast market, but I want to point out that you don't need to cancel an order manually, you can set 2 bracket orders as OCO.

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you can set 2 bracket orders as OCO.

learned a new trick

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I know these are basic but gonna ask you gurus anyway
a) Bracket orders are completely held at server including initial trigger order? meaning if i place a bracket order and shut down before it triggers, still it might trigger since they say all smart orders are at the server?
b) Just for confirmation, if the initial trigger order is executed and then i shutdown, i am assuming profit and target are held at CQG servers

c) i know i can place fixed targets and stops and maybe even a trailing stop BUT can i make it start at a wider stop say 25 ticks and then once the price move say 8 ticks in my favor bring the stop to BE? and then trail with certain offset. Any suggestions are welcome. Here is an example
Initial stop 25 ticks
Price moves 8 ticks in favor, then move stop to BE+1 - this itself would be sufficient
Then for every 5 ticks of price movement in our favor, move stop by 1 tick - nice to have

d) Could not find multi stops/brackets i.e. 1st contract Profit/stop different from 2nd contract profit/stop etc
ThinkorSwim has it, Sierra has it, Ninja of course has it

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a) Bracket orders are completely held at server including initial trigger order? meaning if i place a bracket order and shut down before it triggers, still it might trigger since they say all smart orders are at the server?

No. This is very annoying but if you're not logged on they become limit orders.




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b) Just for confirmation, if the initial trigger order is executed and then i shutdown, i am assuming profit and target are held at CQG servers

Yes, once bracket orders have been triggered, you can log off. Stop and target will be held on server side.



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c) i know i can place fixed targets and stops and maybe even a trailing stop BUT can i make it start at a wider stop say 25 ticks and then once the price move say 8 ticks in my favor bring the stop to BE? and then trail with certain offset. Any suggestions are welcome. Here is an example
Initial stop 25 ticks
Price moves 8 ticks in favor, then move stop to BE+1 - this itself would be sufficient
Then for every 5 ticks of price movement in our favor, move stop by 1 tick - nice to have

d) Could not find multi stops/brackets i.e. 1st contract Profit/stop different from 2nd contract profit/stop etc
ThinkorSwim has it, Sierra has it, Ninja of course has it

About c) or d) I don't think you can do it with QTrader or, if you can, I don't know how.

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a) CQG Qtrader DOM: Not able to place Stops..

If i place a Buy order below market, its a Limit
If i place an order above the market, it executes immediately - what i want is to make that a STOP order
Same for Sell side.. where below the market i want to make it a STOP


b) Also I was not able to scroll down with a Mac mouse - i fixed that my switching to a windows mouse.. strange

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a) CQG Qtrader DOM: Not able to place Stops..

If i place a Buy order below market, its a Limit
If i place an order above the market, it executes immediately - what i want is to make that a STOP order
Same for Sell side.. where below the market i want to make it a STOP

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In order to put stop-buy or stop-sell orders what you want to do is to click on the price above/below market and drag onto buy/sell.

Works pretty much the same way it does to create a stop-loss order.

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Thanks but this is what doesn't work I just drag it to buy or sell I don't click on the price first but I will try that


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here's another way to do it (it's actually quite simple) : press "Ctrl", and the order type button on the DOM is going to change from default LMT to STP. Then you can place your stop order




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you can enable limit/stop mode on the DOM preferences and that will automatically allow you to place the order type that you want without switching back and forth. See pics

You can set stops by dragging from the price to the stop portion of the DOM. This is in the CQG DOMtrader videos




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Using the Control to change everything to Stop works but
even when i make it Limit/Stop mode everything is still limit
Same in Demo and same in live.. this screenshot is from my live Amp acc
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Not working when i am logged off in Demo or Live..

Seems to be working when i am not logged in anything.. shows Stop above buy and below Sell when i am not logged onto anything

as soon as i logon everything becomes Limit

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In Limit/Stop mode you click on the price to put a limit order in, and for stops click the price you want,hold it, and drag it over to the stop column, then release it. It is very quick and easy. This is in the cqg domtrader videos as I mentioned yesterday

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If the Limit an Stop are like 10 ticks away.. then it becomes confusing

If the Limit/Stop values are just 0 or a few ticks then it shows it

Here is the screenshot where u will set that


Thank u all.. for working this with me

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If the Limit an Stop are like 10 ticks away.. then it becomes confusing

If the Limit/Stop values are just 0 or a few ticks then it shows it

Here is the screenshot where u will set that

Thank u all.. for working this with me

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I don't get it.... setting a stop buy/sell order should work fine, as many ticks away as you need.


But what you're saying is, if you try to set them farther than a set number of ticks, you can't?

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Originally on mine.. if i set Stop/Limit as 10 ticks each.. i think that was too wide.. and it showed my entire ladder as Limit..

IF i narrowed it down to say 3 ticks Limit/3 ticks Stop.. what that means was

From the actual price it would take 3 ticks above and below and those would be still be Limit .. to close to the actual price
After those 3 ticks I could place a Stop order..

and my DOM would be like Japhro pointed out

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I think Joker meant that if you set the default # of ticks away from price that the system uses to determine whether it is a stop or limit order too wide, you eff yourself up. Keep it at zero I think, that way anything above or below price is dealt with in the correct way

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Does Q Trader offer bracket orders where you can scale out at different prices all with the same stop? I used the demo but it seemed to be all-in all-out.

An example would be buying 2 contracts at 10, stop is at 7 for both contracts, and targets are 12 and 14.

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I haven't seen that such a shame but I'm still new with this though


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Are u looking to switch from xtrader? That's what I did and am happy so far


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Yes, possibly. It seems like a good platform for execution.

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anyway to do this?

and what should i be on

Combined?
Implied?
or
Outright

and Responsive/Dynamic scale??

Whats the best for daytrading/scalping

Wish i could make it like the X_trader DOM..

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anyway to do this?

and what should i be on

Combined?
Implied?
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Outright

and Responsive/Dynamic scale??

Whats the best for daytrading/scalping

Wish i could make it like the X_trader DOM..

This what you're looking for?


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I tried this.. but when prices move away.. the DOM also moves with it.. i want it to be static so i can move my stop to BE and then center the DOM to trade out

i guess no static DOM on CQG?

If you swing trade its fine.. u can compress the DOM and move the stops.. but if u are scalping and the price moves away.. u now have to scroll back to your stop to move it and if it keeps moving u are scrolling.. then moving stop.. scrolling.. moving

unless there is a better way to do it?

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I tried this.. but when prices move away.. the DOM also moves with it.. i want it to be static so i can move my stop to BE and then center the DOM to trade out

i guess no static DOM on CQG?

If you swing trade its fine.. u can compress the DOM and move the stops.. but if u are scalping and the price moves away.. u now have to scroll back to your stop to move it and if it keeps moving u are scrolling.. then moving stop.. scrolling.. moving

unless there is a better way to do it?

Do you have a video you can share of the behavior you're looking for?

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Ah, I see, thanks.


I've never seen that on CQG, I don't know if it's possible TBH.

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when u have an order there is a red dot.. say at your stop or limit.. u can click on it.. u do whatever u want and center it again

but there is always an extra step.. involved in all this

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I keep trying to push platform vendors to improve their product, I have no shame about this and after talking to many it turns out most are not traders so you can easily see how they get things wrong in terms of design.

On a CQG DOM, you can use responsive (no self centering) or dynamic (poorly named since I think this is static really)

With responsive, which is what I use, because I like to see price action, I use the Center button on the toolbar to center all doms at once, not the best solution but its better than centering doms individually. You can center any dom by double clicking on price too.

I really prefer something in between these which, like CTS's DOM, allows movement but ticks back to recenter itself slowly. I bugged Sierra about this for a while and they eventually changed their platform to allow a recenter based on user defineable # of ticks.

To me, the big things missing on CQG's dom is some form of auto recentering, and a flatten button

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I keep trying to push platform vendors to improve their product, I have no shame about this and after talking to many it turns out most are not traders so you can easily see how they get things wrong in terms of design.

On a CQG DOM, you can use responsive (no self centering) or dynamic (poorly named since I think this is static really)

With responsive, which is what I use, because I like to see price action, I use the Center button on the toolbar to center all doms at once, not the best solution but its better than centering doms individually. You can center any dom by double clicking on price too.

I really prefer something in between these which, like CTS's DOM, allows movement but ticks back to recenter itself slowly. I bugged Sierra about this for a while and they eventually changed their platform to allow a recenter based on user defineable # of ticks.

To me, the big things missing on CQG's dom is some form of auto recentering, and a flatten button

I don't have it open right now but IIRC you can also mouse middle-click on any DOM ladder and they will all center simultaneously.

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I don't have it open right now but IIRC you can also mouse middle-click on any DOM ladder and they will all center simultaneously.

Yes, that works well too

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Anyone from CQG ever come on here? We should put together a list of suggested improvements. For me :

- Flatten button on the DOM
- DOM auto recentering function
- a better chart trader (Snap Trader is weird, clunky, requires the use of a separate study to use lines on the chart to manage open orders, something along the lines on Ninja or Multicharts' chart traders, simple buttons, lines open to show your position and stops etc. simple

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Anyone from CQG ever come on here? We should put together a list of suggested improvements. For me :

- Flatten button on the DOM
- DOM auto recentering function
- a better chart trader (Snap Trader is weird, clunky, requires the use of a separate study to use lines on the chart to manage open orders, something along the lines on Ninja or Multicharts' chart traders, simple buttons, lines open to show your position and stops etc. simple

CQG has some great stuff all together, but sometimes they miss the boat with the simple things imo

There used to be someone from CQG on here but I have not seen them in a while.

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For future reference in this thread, if anyone is looking for help with a CQG platform and can't find it here...click on the Support button in the top right window of your platform, then click Ask CQG and a dialogue box will pop up and prompt you to start typing your question. I have used this feature twice and received a response within 60 secs both times. If support is unable to help you via chat box, they will request permission to take control of your PC. I have allowed this both times I requested help and my problems were resolved.

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What would you like to see added, Xplorer?

The only thing I can think of atm is Jigsaw plugin added to the DOM

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I really would like a true static ladder


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Havent tried it but i have it.. isint this the same as the Flatten button.. i.e. sell whatevverr u have ??

unless this is a Liquidate All? and not specific to just that DOM?

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Havent tried it but i have it.. isint this the same as the Flatten button.. i.e. sell whatevverr u have ??

unless this is a Liquidate All? and not specific to just that DOM?

anyone thoughts?

Which version are you using?

Could you share a screenshot please?

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Havent tried it but i have it.. isint this the same as the Flatten button.. i.e. sell whatevverr u have ??

unless this is a Liquidate All? and not specific to just that DOM?

anyone thoughts?

Liquidate All is the button that flattens all your opened positions.

I don't think there is a flatten button just to flatten the position you have as displayed on the DOM. I think this is partly because CQG displays positions of individual legs on the DOM when you have a position of a synthetic spread opened, and allowing liquidating certain leg via DOM does not make much sense when you don't actually have an open position of that leg. There is also scenarios where the DOM displayed open positions when you actually exited the position through synthetic spread. Depends on different brokers, you might also get Open Position on the DOM for days if you executed your trades through your broker. I heard stories CQG took some blames of their functionalities because novice traders in prop shops always fat finger.

Liquidate ALL on the DOM is designed for absolute emergency. if you want to exit the market on particular DOM, Buy Market/Sell Market button on the DOM is potentially good enough. You may also liquidate the whole position of certian contract easily via your Order and Position page.

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Which version are you using?

Could you share a screenshot please?

Version 17.7.187

Now i understand Liquidate will work only if i have 1 position.. and not if i have multiple contracts

so again STATIC ladder and Flatten button like Japhro said with an auto centering option (not enabled by default) will be great

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Liquidate All is the button that flattens all your opened positions.

I don't think there is a flatten button just to flatten the position you have as displayed on the DOM. I think this is partly because CQG displays positions of individual legs on the DOM when you have a position of a synthetic spread opened, and allowing liquidating certain leg via DOM does not make much sense when you don't actually have an open position of that leg. There is also scenarios where the DOM displayed open positions when you actually exited the position through synthetic spread. Depends on different brokers, you might also get Open Position on the DOM for days if you executed your trades through your broker. I heard stories CQG took some blames of their functionalities because novice traders in prop shops always fat finger.

Liquidate ALL on the DOM is designed for absolute emergency. if you want to exit the market on particular DOM, Buy Market/Sell Market button on the DOM is potentially good enough. You may also liquidate the whole position of certian contract easily via your Order and Position page.

Keeping a open position on the DOM after you have closed it is a flaw in the program, if it exists. there should never, ever be any instance where position reporting does not reflect your actual positions in the market.

I have recently discovered a flaw in Qtrader with regards to a position in VX (VIX futures) exchange traded spreads that shows you still in a position where you may not actually be in one, depending on a certain setting. They know about it now and are looking into a fix apparently.

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Very frustrated with CQG now, they just called to inform that that the will NOT be implementing a flatten button on Qtrader anytime soon.

They are literally the only platform that I have ever seen without a flatten/close button on their DOM. There are a few clunky work arounds but none very pleasant to use. Do I actually have to switch back to CTS now that I cannot manage risk and close positions the way every single platform in the universe does? jeez...

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Hello, does anyone know how to draw opening range lines on Qtrader CVB bars? It's easy to do this on time based bars, but tricky on tick/volume based bars. I asked one of support gurus at CQG support, but he said it's impossible because CVB bars do not have time stamp. Maybe he truly does not know, or he's just not in the mood, but I know there got be a way to do it. I did some digging on the forum, and found a post by Okina that shows his rendering just a few days before he passed away. He even managed to show extensions and labels




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No, but if you look on Upwork.com there are a few coders that are familiar with CGQ, maybe you can hire someone there?

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I think a flatten button on the CQG DOM is a must have, but since it looks like I have been the only one asking for it, they don't seem to be bowled over by requests. If you feel that it is important, please add your thoughts here, I would greatly appreciate it.

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CQG Trader has the X all Liq All functionality. Check if you can login with the same credentials and see if you can run side by side.

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CQG Trader has the X all Liq All functionality. Check if you can login with the same credentials and see if you can run side by side.

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Sorry, how would this help?

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Just to be clear, the functionality that most DOMs have with regards to a Flatten or Close button is that you can close the current position on the current DOM, and also cancel any and all related orders for that position with a single click.

CQG has 2 variables on this idea : a liquidate dropdown menu option, which does not close associated open orders, and the X all/Liq all button which closes everything in your account and cancels all orders in your account.

In the case of the liquidate feature, you need to right click your position, then select liquidate from a dropdown menu, then cancel open orders manually, and the cancel buttons are on the bottom of the dom, not on top where liquidate is so its a very clumsy process, and leaves you exposed with open orders until you can manually cancel them. In a fast moving market, like on CL report wednesdays, these open orders can fill before you can manually cancel them, putting you in a position that you had not intended to be in, and now without stops which again need to be manually place. It's a mess

In the case of the X all/Liq all button, this closes everything in your account, so it is only possible to use it in the intended manner if you have no other open positions. If you have other open positions, using this will close and cancel everything at the same time, and since I and many traders have multiple open positions at one time, this is not a good solution.

All I am asking is that CQG makes a button to liquidate the current position on the current dom, and X ALL orders at the same time. this is a much cleaner, simpler, lower risk way to do things, which is why 20 other platforms have this feature.

I'm sure that brokers such as Mattz can understand the need for this simple feature that exists on every other platform, but CQG (they even are putting it on their Mobile platform, but not Trader, Qtrader or IC) says that no one has requested it from them, I'm the only one. Hard to imagine, but if you guys agree that this is needed, please tell them and they will likely do it. Cheers - J

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Sorry, how would this help?

You will have access to a DOM that does have the functionality you want and access to the same account.

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You will have access to a DOM that does have the functionality you want and access to the same account.

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Hi Matt

As far as I understand CQG Trader has exactly the same functionality that is built in on QTrader and IC.

That X all/Liq all button in question, to the best of my knowledge would close all of your open positions (means in both the current instrument that you're looking at as well as any other instrument with working orders/open positions.

Unless I misunderstood you?

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I understand that you are trying to be helpful Mattz, but please read the messages before you respond. I have written extensively that this is not the case, you are mistaken, and it will not help. But I appreciate your efforts, and if you were to contact CQG about this, as a broker, it might go a long way. Thanks again - J

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I understand that you are trying to be helpful Mattz, but please read the messages before you respond. I have written extensively that this is not the case, you are mistaken, and it will not help. But I appreciate your efforts, and if you were to contact CQG about this, as a broker, it might go a long way. Thanks again - J

You are right, I did not read through the entire thread because I lack the time. The functionality I mentioned does cancel all orders and positions.

The closest I could get to what you wanted is through a two way process:
1) when in a position at the top of the DOM you can right click and choose liquidate or reverse position.
2) X All = cancel all orders for current symbol for this account.

Just as an FYI: features addition due to the due diligence they go through may take awhile. This requires testing, making sure if works with other functionalities and routes to the exchange appropriately. Sorry I could not help further but spoke to CQG.

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Yes, I can do that which involves 3 steps, the X all is at the bottom of the DOm and the liquidate at the top. Since I have been a CQG user I have had open orders fill 4 different times before I could cancel them, it has cost me money, it exposes their customers to unneccesary risk, as a platform not having this is an oddity, they are the only one in the entire industry without it, and they have no explanation as to why they don't have it or why they will not add it, other than a casual remark about no one asking for it.

As an execution platform, for my trading, this is the closest thing to perfect I have gotten so far, but it is missing 1 GIANT thing, a flatten button. It boggles my mind how hard this has been to get their attention on this, and how it feels like I am asking for something exotic and strange when really I just want hem to add something that is an INDUSTRY STANDARD

Thanks again for your help Mattz

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I talked to Jill at CQG before close today and she said that am the only one that has been asking so far for the flatten button, but if they hear the same request from more people, they will strongly consider doing it on a following release. Even a few more requests would help.

So please, if you want this (or even just to make my life easier ;-) ) then please give CQG a call and ask for Jill and request a better button on the dom to close/flatten/liquidate positions. I would sure appreciate it.

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Initial order bracket order with profit say 15 ticks and stop at 25 ticks

i can place fixed targets and stops and maybe even a trailing stop BUT can i make it start at a wider stop say 25 ticks and then once the price move say 8 ticks in my favor bring the stop to BE?

I know this was not thought to be possible @xplorer but

A) what about using Super template anyone try
https://news.cqg.com/blogs/coding/2016/05/super-template

B) have something like this and make it part of an oco with the profit
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Initial order bracket order with profit say 15 ticks and stop at 25 ticks

i can place fixed targets and stops and maybe even a trailing stop BUT can i make it start at a wider stop say 25 ticks and then once the price move say 8 ticks in my favor bring the stop to BE?

I know this was not thought to be possible @xplorer but

A) what about using Super template anyone try
https://news.cqg.com/blogs/coding/2016/05/super-template

B) have something like this and make it part of an oco with the profit
Trailing Stops | CQG News


Just thinking out aloud

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Hi Jokertrader, Happy Thanksgiving


Regarding A) SuperTemplate the link above does not work, but I take it you are referring to this link

Super Template as a Shortcut to Building Your Trading System | CQG News

In there they say that this Super Template is under Trade Systems. That's a feature that is only available on Integrated Client and not QTrader AFAIK.



Regarding B) it's a good solution I think, I like what Helmut did.

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Download scaling bracket and run the application
Its a separate application

You can have upto 3 Tier scaling
The scale offset means after the 1st bracket, the stop will trail based on that offset

say offset is set to 5.. then after 1st bracket,
stop will trail at 5 ticks
(initial stop is same for all brackets)

I tested briefly and this works.. only thing i think is if the application is restarted or shut down it wont trail anymore (but i am fine since if its past BE after 1st BE, thats all i am looking for)

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Download scaling bracket and run the application
Its a separate application

You can have upto 3 Tier scaling
The scale offset means after the 1st bracket, the stop will trail based on that offset

say offset is set to 5.. then after 1st bracket,
stop will trail at 5 ticks
(initial stop is same for all brackets)

I tested briefly and this works.. only thing i think is if the application is restarted or shut down it wont trail anymore (but i am fine since if its past BE after 1st BE, thats all i am looking for)

These work in Qtrader? cheers - J

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thanks @jokertrader for the tip, however I can't seem to get it to work.

I start my QTrader, log in, then I start the Algo Order app, it just sits in the tray for a few seconds and then disappears.

What QTrader version do you use?

What about you @bathrobe?

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thanks @jokertrader for the tip, however I can't seem to get it to work.

I start my QTrader, log in, then I start the Algo Order app, it just sits in the tray for a few seconds and then disappears.

What QTrader version do you use?

What about you @bathrobe?

The latest one, but you need to start Q Trader, then hit the "logon" button in the upper left hand corner, then the scaling bracket will work. So after you have signed in you then hit logon on the platform, you will see it. Don't enter anything in the boxes, it will logon for you.

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The latest one, but you need to start Q Trader, then hit the "logon" button in the upper left hand corner, then the scaling bracket will work. So after you have signed in you then hit logon on the platform, you will see it. Don't enter anything in the boxes, it will logon for you.

Thanks, I do logon in QTrader.

Are you supposed to operate this Algo thing within QTrader or is it all done via the app tray?


Documentation is non-existent for this thing, in the best CQG tradition

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Thanks, I do logon in QTrader.

Are you supposed to operate this Algo thing within QTrader or is it all done via the app tray?


Documentation is non-existent for this thing, in the best CQG tradition


ok, It didn't work for me until I clicked that button that is why I said it.

The following is how I get it to run, I start Q Trader, then logon within the platform. Then click on "Scaling Bracket" in the start menu and a message comes up saying I can now use it. It shows up in the system tray.

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Okay, thanks again @bathrobe.

It's late in the day for me and markets are closed anyway. I will try again tomorrow. This looks promising, I hope to get it to work.

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you can right click on the icon and configure it and save/restart.. but still not sure how to have multiple profiles.. i think doable

then its available in the DOM as a dropdown.. like OCO, bracket and then this SB - scaling bracket

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@bathrobe: Have you been using this for a while now? and hows the stability?

One more thing: can you have multiple profiles and switch profiles without having to restart the application?

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@bathrobe: Have you been using this for a while now? and hows the stability?

One more thing: can you have multiple profiles and switch profiles without having to restart the application?

My live trading still uses X_Trader, I got another demo of Q Trader this morning oddly enough and installed this plug in first thing as I told you multiple scales was my main concern about the platform, so I cant speak to stability but CQG is very stable so I imagine it is very good.

Within Q Trader there is an option to have bracket orders have different pre set targets and stop losses and also different quantities, perhaps this is what the profiles are (enter 2 scaling 1 and 1 or enter 4 scaling out 2 then 1, and 1), I will look into more tomorrow.

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Appreciate you guys posting this, it might be very useful for me. I will try an order with it tomorrow


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Some documentation on these

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Some documentation on these

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I had seen this but notably what's missing is the scaling bracket ones!

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Ugh, I know. I just thought if the others were of interest.

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I appreciate that. It's just that CQG is notorious for its cavalier attitude to documentation.

'Document as little as possible' seems to be their mantra.


There are some CQG people who try and overcome this by publishing tips on the web, but that shouldn't detract from some sound documentation.

Anyway, gripe over

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It's there click on offline doc download then right click on file and say unlock in properties and then open will see if I can find the link


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Aha! Well spotted - I had downloaded the offline help but it showed nothing - thanks for the tip about unblock!

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I got interested in the scaling bracket app. I installed the app and clicked on the icon while I was logged on in Qtrader. It appeared in the system tray. Then an error message popped up:



Anyone knows what this means?

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I got interested in the scaling bracket app. I installed the app and clicked on the icon while I was logged on in Qtrader. It appeared in the system tray. Then an error message popped up:



Anyone knows what this means?

I don't but you should contact CQG support if someone else here doesn't either. If you are looking for a email of someone send me a pm.

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I got interested in the scaling bracket app. I installed the app and clicked on the icon while I was logged on in Qtrader. It appeared in the system tray. Then an error message popped up:



Anyone knows what this means?

Sometimes i think its a combo of a) Are u logged on b) Restart the app or some combination

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Maybe reinstall and restart your machine and Q trader and the app

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