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I see that a company (Investec) has brought out a very interesting structured product.
the sum of it is that
- it guarantees a 44% return in local currency (not USD) if the SP500 is flat or positive
- if the S&P gains more than 44% you gain that as well
- if the S&P loses between 0-40% then your capital is protected 100%
- if the S&P loses more than 40% you lose more than 40%
Its a fascinating structure, I just have no idea how they do this.
Typically I know that they buy some ETF (which they then keep the dividends) as an extra income.
They obviously also use Options for the protection.
Whats amazing though is the 44% return on a flat index.
Ive attached the full brochure and then a screenshot of the possible returns.
Any thoughts or ideas on this?
Can you help answer these questions from other members on NexusFi?
Correct 44% in local currency over 3.5 years.
A comment I saw from the company was that if this was done in USD only it would be a 6% return.
Which by my calcs means the guaranteed money simply must come from the expected dividends
(i.e. they believe s&P will produce 2% divs per annum)
They've then hedged the local currency somehow.
Reckoned it must be using about 3 options and an ETF to get the structure
Just trying to figure out what option structure could do this and if one could apply it to other shares.
Thinking it might be better to just be Long ETF, Long Put Option
At least it will protect you all the way down then.
Plus less fees to someone else
(but this is assuming the Put fees arent too expensive which I could be wrong with,
which would then take me back to the above structure...)
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Guaranteed Return of Capital Structures with Market Participation were very popular back in the 90s and the underlying derivatives were one of the bigger positions and a major source of losses in LTCM books when they collapsed. Back then I believe the strategy was to invest X% of the money in a bond or interest rate product that by the end of the term would have grown to the initial principle hence guaranteeing your capital. Then the (100-X)% remaining principle was used to buy long dated equity index call options, hence giving you some market participation as well. Of course you miss out on dividends and the total return of the index is higher than outright return.
Assuming these work the same way (big assumption that is potentially flawed) with SA interest rates at 6.5% and assuming a 3 year term, X would need to be only 79%. That would leave 21% of the initial capital available to construct a favorable option structure. Still not sure how you get to what they are offering but hopefully you can see how things like this can be constructed.
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Watched an Interview with Harley Bassman on Real Vision TV yesterday from last month. One of the things he talked about was how structured products and the rules of Arbitrage can create unexpected results/prices. For example when it comes to index arbitrage we know where the index should be in the future, as it's just a function of holding costs (interest rate's) versus dividend yield. He talked about an example last year in Europe, where the combination of negative interest rates and high dividends on the Euro Stoxx 50 meant that the 10 year forward of the Euro Stoxx 50 was trading at a 25% discount to the spot index! Not difficult to imagine how you could structure some interesting structured products based upon that. For example go back to my previous example where you have "21% of the initial capital available to construct a favorable option structure" and combine that with a forward index price that's substantially discounted!.
