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Diversified Option Selling Portfolio

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 myrrdin 
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Can I assume you sold the c60 an bought c70 to cover?

Correct.

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I told myself I was not going to trade during working season. Guess I lied to myself, everything is done cept I have been selling RBOB 125puts which worked well for me. Now I decided to sell some calls RBV 165 and 170 calls is it a big mistake? They are naked.

You sold a 27 delta naked option 58 DTE?

It may work now and several times in future but one day you will be burned badly and lose thousands of dollars. I have been there done that.

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I told myself I was not going to trade during working season. Guess I lied to myself, everything is done cept I have been selling RBOB 125puts which worked well for me. Now I decided to sell some calls RBV 165 and 170 calls is it a big mistake? They are naked.

As Ron mentioned, you are playing it very tight here. this is a trade you will need to monitor closely.

If you have a full time job, it would make more sense to place trades you do not need to watch too often.
E.g.: Ron's ES spread or Myrrdin's recent CL C60-C70 spread do not have to be watched too closely and can be done with a full time job.

I have a full time job as well. These types of trade do not take much time, give me more room and also offer good learning experiences.

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Did I miss selling Calls on Corn, Soy, or Wheat?
Looking at the charts Since June 23 all three have retraced past their 61.8%.

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 myrrdin 
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Did I miss selling Calls on Corn, Soy, or Wheat?
Looking at the charts Since June 23 all three have retraced past their 61.8%.

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No, I did not sell calls on corn, soy, or wheat.

We are in a weather market, and at this time of the year you can loose a lot of money when selling options. Currently I avoid selling options on these commodities, as it is hard to predict the weather. The reason for the recent retracements was a cooler and wetter weather forecast last weekend. But it could have been hotter and drier as well - who knows in advance ? And in this case, especially soybean prices would have been exploding.

The problem for option sellers: If you win you win a small amount. If you loose you loose a lot. Thus, you have to make a high percentage of winners. But trading during weather markets is like flipping a coin.

There might be interesting opportunities for call sellers when the crops are more or less made. Volatility often is still quite high, but risk of an unforeseen large price move is lower.

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No, I did not sell calls on corn, soy, or wheat.

We are in a weather market, and at this time of the year you can loose a lot of money when selling options. Currently I avoid selling options on these commodities, as it is hard to predict the weather. The reason for the recent retracements was a cooler and wetter weather forecast last weekend. But it could have been hotter and drier as well - who knows in advance ? And in this case, especially soybean prices would have been exploding.

The problem for option sellers: If you win you win a small amount. If you loose you loose a lot. Thus, you have to make a high percentage of winners. But trading during weather markets is like flipping a coin.

There might be interesting opportunities for call sellers when the crops are more or less made. Volatility often is still quite high, but risk of an unforeseen large price move is lower.

Best regards, Myrrdin

So in general this time of year, it doesnt matter if its cool and wet or hot and dry. Votatilly will go up.Eaxample cool climate is good for harwesting, where as in opposte hot dry, may be more labour intensive.Olso if china slows down natrually, or political storm of event Zs andZ W cana see lot height price in oct.

Is my thought proccee righ?

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So in general this time of year, it doesnt matter if its cool and wet or hot and dry. Votatilly will go up.Eaxample cool climate is good for harwesting, where as in opposte hot dry, may be more labour intensive.Olso if china slows down natrually, or political storm of event Zs andZ W cana see lot height price in oct.

Is my thought proccee righ?

No.

At this time of the year it does matter, if it is hot and dry or cold and wet. This is the time of the year when the crop is made. If it is dry and hot in August Soybeans crop will be significantly lower than if it is cold and dry. One weather forecast can send soybeans prices up and down, as it happened last weekend.

In such a situation of course volatility is high. But I do not think it is wise to sell calls on these commodities at this time of the year.

Harvest for corn and beans is still far away, harvest for winter wheat is almost done.

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I intend to enter the following short option trades in the near future:

Sell CTZ C80
I am interested in this trade for quite a while, but do not intend to enter below 70 for the CTZ contract. Fundamentals look quite good for the world-wide cotton crop. The weak USD and flooding in India currently move prices up, and this could be a good chance to sell calls in August.

Sell CLZ C60-70 or similar
Seasonally crude oil price should move downwards from August onwards. I intend to re-enter this trade some time during this month.

Sell NGX C4
As already stated here, I am interested in being short NG. But I am not interested in choosing lower strike prices. If NG does not move up again, I will miss this trade.

Sell KCZ C200 or similar
In September there is a seasonal high due to the market pricing in weather problems during the blooming period. This is often a good chance to sell calls high above the market. In the short run, I expect prices to move upwards, and I am long outright futures. Seasonals, COT data, and weak USD should support prices.

Sell CZ calls
In case corn price (CZ) moves above 4.1 or 4.2 in August, I intend to sell CZ calls.

Best regards, Myrrdin

Sold the CLF C60-70 (not CLZ C60-70, as stated below) some days ago. Intend to take profit at 50 %, if given the chance in the near future.

Sold the CTZ C76 today. Cotton price moved above 70 for the first time in a while. Short time supply is rather tight, but this should change after the harvest.

Prices for the other commodities did not move far enough to be able to sell their options at a reasonable price.

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This reinforces myrrdin saying weather is unpredictable


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