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The better question is how do you know what the implied volatility is?

We know Time Value? We know UL value? We know strike value (auction market)?

People make the price by what they would sell and pay for it. Fear (IV) can be shown in what price people will pay or sell an option.

Like any other math equation it can be back-solved, which would only tell you the fair price value.

We are talking about an Auction Market. How is price discovered? Spreads?

Price drives Implied Volatility.

Here are some references/sites you can verify the info:

https://www.asxoptions.com/implied-volatility/
https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/060115/how-implied-volatility-used-blackscholes-formula.asp
https://tastytrade.com/
https://optionalpha.com/

I'm very confused about what you are trying to argue atm. Is it my view that I think it maybe possible for some genuise to derive or is it my words that it is "input"? Or something else?

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I'm very confused about what you are trying to argue atm. Is it my view that I think it maybe possible for some genuise to derive or is it my words that it is "input"? Or something else?

I am answering a question you asked me two posts above... Is that not you?

"Do tell how to calculate IV when price of option is not known."

Simple answer - We do know the price since we are talking about an auction market.

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I am answering a question you asked me two posts above... Is that not you?

"Do tell how to calculate IV when price of option is not known."

Simple answer - We do know the price since we are talking about an auction market.


Oh, I see now, your issue seems to be this line of mine

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"So, to be more precise, if you really want to get around and develop some kind of AI to "Predict option prices", your first step should be estimating Implied volatility. Note that I again use word estimate, so even if you managed to re-invented the wheel, it will be still just an estimate.".

I'm quite familiar with BS equation and how to back calculate IV from price you get from auction market or current market price.

Here I was trying to say, if you want to "predict" future price of option, you will have to "estimate the IV" for that calculation to work as you are trying to "predict option price", which you are "yet to get from auction market".

You can't work with one unknown to "predict or solve" other unknown. Choice of words may not have been clear back then, I hope its clear now? In fact, I think we agree on everything, from BS backward solving for IV from cmp to this statement of yours

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Do you have any data or references to your view on this being available or is this a hunch?

Algo's that read tweets and news have been trying to predict for years, No individual will accomplish this before one of the big trading firms with funding for teams of mathematicians and data analysts.

Just to be more clear, I'm just trying to make OP aware of gravity of word "predict" with option price.

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Just to be more clear, I'm just trying to make OP aware of gravity of word "predict" with option price.

Yes, I agree!

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