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Diversified Option Selling Portfolio

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 myrrdin 
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Hi Myrrdin,
Thanks for your answer to one of my questions on Ron's thread.
Thanks also for this thread, as they are both excellent reading.

Can I ask one question?
If I was to take a vertical calendar credit spread,

Sell 1 ESZ18 Call Currently @ 14.5
Buy 1 ESU18 Call Currently @ 3.0
Example only.

Would there be any margin requirement for this position?
Is this adequate, protection wise?

I realize that I would have to buy another Call once the September one expired if I was still in the trade then.
Thanks
Mick

Please feel free to ask all questions you have.

Margin depends on the broker you work with. As you work with IB your margin will probably be higher than the margin for traders working with other brokers. TWS will show you the margin, if you enter this trade.

Best regards, Myrrdin

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Hi Myrrdin,,
Thanks for the answer, but I am thinking that there should be no margin as one position cancels the other?
Maybe my observation is incorrect?

Also, do you think this type of trade gives adequate protection against an adverse market movement?
Thanks
Mick

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 myrrdin 
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Hi Myrrdin,,
Thanks for the answer, but I am thinking that there should be no margin as one position cancels the other?
Maybe my observation is incorrect?

Also, do you think this type of trade gives adequate protection against an adverse market movement?
Thanks
Mick

Obviously you are looking at the ESU C3000 and the ESZ C3000.

I assume that IB will foresee margin for this trade.

Delta for the September option is 6 %, delta for the December option is 15 %. Thus, there is some protection. If you consider this protection as adequate, depends on your judgement.

I do not sell ES calls in the current situation, and do not intend to sell ES calls in the near futures.

Best regards, Myrrdin

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mickojak
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Thanks Myrrdin,
I just used that as an example of a possible scenario.
Thanks for your input.
Mick

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 myrrdin 
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Thanks Myrrdin,
I just used that as an example of a possible scenario.
Thanks for your input.
Mick


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Best regards, Myrrdin

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 ron99 
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mickojak View Post
Hi Myrrdin,
Thanks for your answer to one of my questions on Ron's thread.
Thanks also for this thread, as they are both excellent reading.

Can I ask one question?
If I was to take a vertical calendar credit spread,

Sell 1 ESZ18 Call Currently @ 14.5
Buy 1 ESU18 Call Currently @ 3.0
Example only.

Would there be any margin requirement for this position?
Is this adequate, protection wise?

I realize that I would have to buy another Call once the September one expired if I was still in the trade then.
Thanks
Mick

Assuming 3000 strike (you need to include strike price in your posts) the exchange minimum IM is $1,392.

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 ron99 
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Oct NG futures for 2015-2017 were between 2.60 and 3.11 all 3 years for June, July and Aug.




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 sinpeople 
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Thank you for your sharing.

I also saw the recommended from Carley. Though the cotton trade didn't go idea, she hasn't execuated a stop loss yet. So far the only adjustment is to roller up the insurance leg.


myrrdin View Post
Seasonals and COT data were in favour of this trade, but sometimes you are simply wrong although you did a good job. In this case, obviously the weather did not cooperate.

Carley suggested a similar trade a couple of days ago. followed her, selling some CTZ C100 and buying some CTN C100 as protection.

Best regards, Myrrdin


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 sinpeople 
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Hi folks,

James Cordier collects premiums by selling options that is far deep out of money guided by the fundamental info. Every trade has only one leg. That's simple.
Carley Garner's method is a little bit complicated. For a bullish setup, she will buy a future contract and at the same time selling a call option slightly above. And at the same time, she will buy a put option below as insurance leg.

Can some one compare these two different styles to list out the pros and cons? Thank you.

Best Regards
David

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sinpeople View Post
Hi folks,

James Cordier collects premiums by selling options that is far deep out of money guided by the fundamental info. Every trade has only one leg. That's simple.
Carley Garner's method is a little bit complicated. For a bullish setup, she will buy a future contract and at the same time selling a call option slightly above. And at the same time, she will buy a put option below as insurance leg.

Can some one compare these two different styles to list out the pros and cons? Thank you.

Best Regards
David

Hi sinpeople. I'm sure others will be able to give a much more detailed response, but basically Carley is doing a collar trade, which is defined risk and reward. The rewards are capped, and so is the risk. Selling nakeds of course is very different. The probabilities for the two trades are very different too. Collars tend to be a 'safe and steady' type of trade in my experience, although a bit un-spectacular.

As my post-count is less than 5, I cannot post a link, but there is a lot of material on google explaining the mechanics of collars.

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