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3. The SQ contract is an old crop contract. In case of strong Chinese buying, of transport problems in Brazil or a strike in this country prices for the old crop contracts will move up sharper than for new corp contracts.


Would you mind explaining a little bit about the old crop / new crop? I've seen it mentioned several times in ags market commentary but not found a good definition.

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I also intend to sell soybeans calls, but not at this time, not at current prices, and not the SQ contract.

1. The seasonal high for the SQ contract is - according to MRCI data for the 5 years and the 15 years pattern - end of June / early July.

2. Large specs almost hold a record short position.

3. The SQ contract is an old crop contract. In case of strong Chinese buying, of transport problems in Brazil or a strike in this country prices for the old crop contracts will move up sharper than for new corp contracts.

I intend to sell SX options with an expiry perhaps in July on a strong move upwards of the underlying contract, caused by one of the problems mentioned above. I will definitey not sell calls at a price of the underlying SX contract of below 980, and I would prefer to sell at 1030.

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Many thanks, Myrrdin.
This is very helpful

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Would you mind explaining a little bit about the old crop / new crop? I've seen it mentioned several times in ags market commentary but not found a good definition.

It is new to me as well, and I am grateful that Myrrdin brings it up.

Here is an article that IMO explains it well:
Old crop, new crop, corn crop, bean crop | Futures Magazine

From this article:
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In grains we refer to last year’s crop as old crop. This is the grain supply we grew last year and currently are using. New crop is the next crop supply that we expect to grow. This is the grain that we will be working hard to produce and that will be harvested in the fall.

Under normal market conditions there is usually a premium to the new crop contracts because we do not know how the next growing season will go. This production uncertainty keeps new crop prices higher.

in a bull market the old crop usually moves higher faster and farther then new crop, and in bear markets old crop usually moves lower faster and farther than the new crop.
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Myrridin mentioned the X (Nov) contract, which is the new crop.
I proposed to sell the Q (Aug) contract Calls, still the old crop. With the above info that would put me more a risk of sharp moves upwards.

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On Thursday I exited my CCu7p1600, that I entered at 14, at 6. ROI was 2.2%. Days held 35.

At one point premium was 300% but my percent of account balance used was only 28.9%.


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On Thursday I exited my CCu7p1600, that I entered at 14, at 6. ROI was 2.2%. Days held 35.

At one point premium was 300% but my percent of account balance used was only 28.9%.

Do you ever worry that the options runs ITM?
And if so, would that be an exit signal?
Or would the 6xIM always be exhausted before that?

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Just sold half a lot of the CLZ C65-C75 at 0.32 .

Seasonals are bearish for recent years, especially for the most recent years with a high US production.

COT data is neutral to slightly bearish.

In addition I intend to sell some CLZ C70-C80 if given the chance to do so at a reasonable price.

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Do you ever worry that the options runs ITM?
And if so, would that be an exit signal?
Or would the 6xIM always be exhausted before that?

I do not worry about running ITM as long as the option is not close to expiration.

Sometimes I even sell options in the money, eg. recently the CZ P400. To me this does make sense in case of low volatility, as a rise of volatility hurts OTM more than ITM or ATM options. And in case I expect only a small move of the underlying, as otherwise I would buy or sell outright futures.

My stops are independent of the strike, if the option is far enough away from expiration date.

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Thank you for your very interesting thread Myrrdin. I have read it from the beginning and I think I´ve learnt more than with all the books I´ve read.
I have very little experiece in commodities as I usually sell very OTM Eurostoxx puts.
I have problems understanding the sizing of your positions, as you say you risk 3% of your account in each trade. For example, in the CL spread you have just opened, how much money do you need to open just one lot.
Sorry for my English, and thank you in advanced.

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Thank you for your very interesting thread Myrrdin. I have read it from the beginning and I think I´ve learnt more than with all the books I´ve read.
I have very little experiece in commodities as I usually sell very OTM Eurostoxx puts.
I have problems understanding the sizing of your positions, as you say you risk 3% of your account in each trade. For example, in the CL spread you have just opened, how much money do you need to open just one lot.
Sorry for my English, and thank you in advanced.

Your English is definitely better than my Spanish ...

One lot has a value of $320 and a margin requirement of approx. $450. (Please check this figure with your broker, as I made a rough guess.)

The number of positions you can sell using my rules obviously depends on the size of your account and on the stop loss. Assuming you have a $100,000 account and risk to double the original value you can sell 9 of these option spreads.

Please feel free to ask further questions.

Best regards, Myrrdin

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Do you ever worry that the options runs ITM?
And if so, would that be an exit signal?
Or would the 6xIM always be exhausted before that?

I suspect that my 6xIM would be exhausted before my short option goes ITM because I sell far OTM. But I haven't tested it.

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