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TraderGriz
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I am thinking of buy back irregardless as I am at 52-76% profit even after options went up. I should have gotten out yesterday an even before with profit when I thought about it. The market has just kept moving in my favor so I just kept letting them go. Just made up my mind an looking at my notes by posting this. Some sells were on the third an others on the 17th, I'll be happy with th ROI on that.

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Just a suggestion

For some of us commoners.

I know most of you pros are very busy, but can we pick out the simplest to learn commodity and each you pros can show us how you approach selling options on the commodity and the things to look out for. Basically start to end. I know most of you have gone above and beyond in presenting data. But if a beginer was to start what should be the first thing the look at? if these questions are answerable please help.

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Babak

Read through this thread starting from page 1. Take notes on important discussions, skim through the pointless chatter. This may take you days/weeks but you cannot expect others to sacrifice their time without sacrificing your own.

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TraderGriz View Post
Just wondering if anyone knows what is going on in some markets. E.G. I sold some options within the month of April on feeder cattle.
GFU 112p & 118p
GFQ 120p
I am well ahead on them. I was going to buy back an take profits today. I did not however as it confused me how the underlying could go up nearly 4 an put options around 35-40 lower also rise.
I have some questions for more experience sellers.
Is there something I am missing?
Are people just bailing?
Just confused and wondering if anyone has an answer.
That is not the only market that had this pattern for me today but the most dramatic.
Experienced opinions will be very much appreciated.

It might be that volatility increased. That would cause all option premiums to increase.

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It might be that volatility increased. That would cause all option premiums to increase.

That is kinda what I meant, I have watched other markets w/o money that have done the same as I spoke.
By volatility I assume you are referring volume an not interest.
Is there someplace to monitor that on the net?

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That is kinda what I meant, I have watched other markets w/o money that have done the same as I spoke.
By volatility I assume you are referring volume an not interest.

No. Volatility is the degree of variation of a trading price series over time as measured by the standard deviation of logarithmic returns.

For example, if futures is the same as the day before, settled unchanged, but the volatility increased (maybe huge intraday swings), option premiums would settle higher even though futures were unchanged and they have one day less DTE.

Here is one place this number is available https://www.barchart.com/futures/quotes/GF*0/interactive-chart

Bring up the future you want then click on Studies and add Implied Volatility to chart.



Here you see that Feeder Cattle Implied Volatility dropped Tue & Wed then rose Thu & Fri. This explains why put option premiums increased Friday.

There is no way to predict Implied Volatility changes.

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Is it me or ES has been in the dumps when it comes to MROI%. Doing Rons stgy I can not get anything more than 1.35%
I am not really comfortable or knowlegable about the other commodities. which one is the next easiest, less moving parts to learn about.

Thoughts please?

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Based on your prior posts you seemed to be very risk adverse. It would be far better for you to stick with the ES strategy and maybe move to higher delta or use less cash excess to get higher ROI than to switch to other much more risky commodities.

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Thinking out loud here.

I have on the NGq7p250c450 strangle. The p250 has dropped 50% in premium. I was debating closing that side of the strangle now.

But the margin for the naked c450 is $273 now vs $253 for the strangle. So basically the p250 option is being held for free.

The risk of not exiting the put now is that NG futures crash and by keeping the put I have turned a winner into a possible loser.

The possible gain of keeping the put is that if futures stay here or go higher I can make additional profit on the put and/or offset possible losses on the call.

I am leaning towards exiting the put because it is a winner and those are precious and not something you want to give away.


I will say this is an excellent example of why you shouldn't wait till expiration. The p250 has lost 50% of its' value in 15 days. It will take 89 days to get the other 50%. Very poor MROI waiting for the other 50%.

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 manuel999 
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Thinking out loud here.

I have on the NGq7p250c450 strangle. The p250 has dropped 50% in premium. I was debating closing that side of the strangle now.

But the margin for the naked c450 is $273 now vs $253 for the strangle. So basically the p250 option is being held for free.

The risk of not exiting the put now is that NG futures crash and by keeping the put I have turned a winner into a possible loser.

The possible gain of keeping the put is that if futures stay here or go higher I can make additional profit on the put and/or offset possible losses on the call.

I am leaning towards exiting the put because it is a winner and those are precious and not something you want to give away.


I will say this is an excellent example of why you shouldn't wait till expiration. The p250 has lost 50% of its' value in 15 days. It will take 89 days to get the other 50%. Very poor MROI waiting for the other 50%.

I have a bit higher targets, I close future options at about 80%.
I have the same strangle open, a bit wider, and keep it open at this time.
I do not see many obvious oportunities that are better

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ron99 View Post
Thinking out loud here.

I have on the NGq7p250c450 strangle. The p250 has dropped 50% in premium. I was debating closing that side of the strangle now.

But the margin for the naked c450 is $273 now vs $253 for the strangle. So basically the p250 option is being held for free.

The risk of not exiting the put now is that NG futures crash and by keeping the put I have turned a winner into a possible loser.

The possible gain of keeping the put is that if futures stay here or go higher I can make additional profit on the put and/or offset possible losses on the call.

I am leaning towards exiting the put because it is a winner and those are precious and not something you want to give away.


I will say this is an excellent example of why you shouldn't wait till expiration. The p250 has lost 50% of its' value in 15 days. It will take 89 days to get the other 50%. Very poor MROI waiting for the other 50%.

The monthly ROI is only of importance if there is another trade you can enter instead. In case there is no other attractive trade I often stay in a trade with a low monthly ROI, as long as I consider it a safe trade.

Best regards, Myrrdin

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CobblersAwls View Post
Read through this thread starting from page 1. Take notes on important discussions, skim through the pointless chatter. This may take you days/weeks but you cannot expect others to sacrifice their time without sacrificing your own.

That is a fact! I have been reading much lately. Some other topics than this. I have always valued the knowledge one with more experience can give me. I have gained it all my life, it may be from parents, grandparents or an elderly neighbor. Am I wrong the point of a forum is to share knowledge/experience? Not always ask for it.

I hope I didn't drag this off track.

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