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Sorry for a slight off topic question. Trying to get historic settlement or end of day data for exchange traded crude calendar spreads say for at least 4 years. can I do that somewhere somehow? I have sierra and cqg I can load individual individual months for past data one by one, use the spreadsheet study then export and then calculate the spread but is there a better way? So as example I can load June 2015 symbol ad then Dec 2015 then extract and calculate the difference but any ready way to get data readily for the 6 month exchange spread from CME?

In the sub GetIM_ROI change the portion of your code as such (hides If clsOpt.OptType and End If lines):

'*********** Spread Calculations
If calcType = 3 Then
' If clsOpt.OptType <> " " Then '##### mod 2.3
dicFut(i)("SprdValue") = dicFut(i)("SprdValue") + clsOpt.PosValue
' End If
dicFut(i)("SprdPrice") = dicFut(i)("SprdPrice") + clsOpt.PosPrice
dicFut(i)("SprdNumber") = dicFut(i)("SprdNumber") + Abs(iPos)
dicFut(i)("SprdDelta") = dicFut(i)("SprdDelta") + clsOpt.PosDelta
If iArrPos = totOpt Then
dicFut(i)("SprdNet") = dicFut(i)("SprdValue") - (dicFut(i)("SprdNumber") * dFees)
End If
End If


It looks to calculate the values and margin, but I haven't done thorough tests. Then you could do a Historic Track.

Update: margin seems to be off because of the way margin is calculated for calendar spreads.


Last edited by Dudetooth; December 9th, 2017 at 08:55 PM. Reason: correction
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Which brokers in Singapore or US or Australia that charge SPAN margin


Hi everyone,
I'm new to Future Option selling. I have been reading the book by James Cordier The Complete Guide to Option Selling.
I have tried 4 trades and sadly 3 go in the money and I sustain heavy losses.
The problem is I'm using Saxo Capital and I don't know if they charge SPAN margin or not. But if I want to sell option Too far out of the money, my premium is very little, below $50 for a 3 month trade with margin requirement of $1350 in the case of Brent Crude for example. I have to go close to the current price in order to earn enough margin (my aim is 10% Premium on Margin for a 3-4 month contract and usually the market can easily move against me.

Their margin requirement for Option on Future is usually 50% of the margin on Future Contract. For example Brent Crude Future Option margin is $1350 overnight, E-mini S&P is $2250, Wheat is $475.

Can you tell me if they are chargin SPAN margin? Which brokers can you recommend that charge SPAN margin? How much should SPAN Margin be for a Brent Crude short put?

In doubt and seriously need help.
Thanks

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peternguyen View Post
Can you tell me if they are chargin SPAN margin? Which brokers can you recommend that charge SPAN margin? How much should SPAN Margin be for a Brent Crude short put?

If you give us a contract and strike you are talking about we should be able to give you what the SPAN margin should be.

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If you give us a contract and strike you are talking about we should be able to give you what the SPAN margin should be.

For example this is from SaxoCapital:
E-mini S&P 500 Put March 2018 (91 days) Strike 2000: the margin is $2250, Premium is only $87.50
Henry Hub Natural Gas Call March 2018 (70 days) Strike 4000: the margin is $1100, Premium is $140

They charge a fixed margin, usually 50% of Future margin, which is a preset amount. The margin doesn't depend on the Strike or how far the contract is.

Thanks

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For example this is from SaxoCapital:
E-mini S&P 500 Put March 2018 (91 days) Strike 2000: the margin is $2250, Premium is only $87.50
Henry Hub Natural Gas Call March 2018 (70 days) Strike 4000: the margin is $1100, Premium is $140

They charge a fixed margin, usually 50% of Future margin, which is a preset amount. The margin doesn't depend on the Strike or how far the contract is.

Thanks

This is first time I have ever heard of margin for options being fixed amount from futures margin and strike and month don't matter. Are you sure? If so then find another place to trade.

I also suggest your read these threads to learn more about selling options
https://futures.io/options-futures/12309-selling-options-futures.html

https://futures.io/options-futures/36932-diversified-option-selling-portfolio.html

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For example this is from SaxoCapital:
E-mini S&P 500 Put March 2018 (91 days) Strike 2000: the margin is $2250, Premium is only $87.50
Henry Hub Natural Gas Call March 2018 (70 days) Strike 4000: the margin is $1100, Premium is $140

They charge a fixed margin, usually 50% of Future margin, which is a preset amount. The margin doesn't depend on the Strike or how far the contract is.

Thanks

Calculated SPAN margin as of the 14th of Dec risk files
ESH8 P2000 = $282
NGH8 C4 = $308


Last edited by Dudetooth; December 15th, 2017 at 11:57 AM. Reason: clarification
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Dudetooth View Post
As of the 14th of Dec
ESH8 P2000 = $282
NGH8 C4 = $308

Superb. Can you please tell me which broker you are using? Are they based in US?

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Superb. Can you please tell me which broker you are using? Are they based in US?

RJO Futures, based in US. They apparently accept non-US customers, but I'm not sure what countries they will work with.
https://rjofutures.rjobrien.com/open-futures-account/

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Thank you. I'm Australian citizen so probably can.
Any other broker do you recommend? I will try the other if RJObrien doesn't accept me.
What trading platform do you use? is it user friendly?

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