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Selling Options on Futures?

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 rsm005 
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Here's an interesting observation that I think myrrdin has made before. There's less volatility in option value the closer you are to being ITM (higher initial delta).

Here are results using deltas of -5 and -1.5 (similar results as Ron's).


If we go further OTM with deltas of -3 and -0.5 the loss is greater.


If we go closer ITM with deltas of -7 and -2.5 there's actually a gain because the very far OTM options increase in value faster with the vol spike. You actually go on margin call at a profit



Interesting, how does the last strategy work with the drops after 2008? I unfortunately don't have any of the spreadsheets with me to do my own testing.

Also, @ron99 do you recall that post you put up some time ago about how to use your SPAN spreadsheet? Can you post a link to it?

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The strategy that worked in the '08 recession (based on limited data ) doesn't work so well from '13 to '16. If you increase the margin multiple to 10 there are no margin calls; but median ROI is reduced by 1% over strategy 1 (Ron's).

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 rsm005 
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This is a comparison of two strategies on ES.
  1. The best strategy proposed so far for relatively safe returns is 1 short ES put at -5 delta and 2 long ES puts at -1.5 delta with 6 x IM and DTE around 100 days, exiting when premium = 50% of initial premium. This would not have required a margin call from 2013-2016 with median mROI of 2.8%. Many thanks to Ron for sharing this with us.
  2. Based on recent back-testing I would like to propose another strategy that has a similar level of risk but has higher returns on average. 2 short ES puts at -3 delta and 3 long ES puts at -1 delta with 4 x IM and DTE around 100 days, exiting when premium = 50% of initial premium. This strategy also would not have required a margin call from 2013-2016 and the median mROI is 3.4%.

Here's a comparison of some stats between the two strategies.


And here's the how close the margin gets to a margin call (100% means you get the call) by date for #1.


And for #2.


Note that #2 has more peaks but they aren't as high as #1. The protection of the 3 further OTM puts seems to balance out the risk of selling 2 puts nicely. I believe this balance is mainly from a volatility offset (the puts are closer together in strike) because there's more delta exposure on #2 (delta = 3) compared to #1 (delta = 2).

It would be great if someone could validate my work.

I've been looking at this post for quite some time and the first graphic makes a rather interesting observation. If you set the exit point to 60% of margin with a 6x IM you'd only be forced out twice. Perhaps that's a better way to exiting a position that can also survive the 2008 drop.

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I've been looking at this post for quite some time and the first graphic makes a rather interesting observation. If you set the exit point to 60% of margin with a 6x IM you'd only be forced out twice. Perhaps that's a better way to exiting a position that can also survive the 2008 drop.

The losses are pretty substantial. For example, if you would have done this strategy on 7/30/15 you would have lost more than 25% of your value. Here are results using Ron's strategy with a margin call exit point (100% of margin used) and a 60% of margin exit point.



Note that this is essentially the same thing as holding 4xIM instead of 6xIM and exiting on margin call. The only difference is you would gain and lose a lot more as a percent of your margin if you only held 4xIM.

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Ron,

Can you compare the margin numbers? I get different results for % of IM. I have your initial margin as 1,148. In December the % of margin used is calculated as [1,361 + (610 - 98)] / 1,148 = 163%. The 1,361 is the Maintenance margin (1701 / 1.25).

My mistake is that my header name "Account Balance for IM" is wrong. It should be IM% of Account Balance.

And then I should further change it to MM% of 6xIM. Then 100+% would be margin call.

So the formula should be (Current IM / 1.1) / (Beginning IM * Excess Factor + Net Position P/L for that day)

Maintenance margin = Initial margin / 1.1. Not sure why you used 1.25.


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My mistake is that my header name "Account Balance for IM" is wrong. It should be IM% of Account Balance.

And then I should further change it to MM% of 6xIM. Then 100+% would be margin call.

So the formula should be (Current IM / 1.1) / (Beginning IM * Excess Factor + Net Position P/L for that day)

Maintenance margin = Initial margin / 1.1. Not sure why you used 1.25.

Ron, 1.25 was the initial maintenance ratio at the time; 1.1 is more recent.

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Ron, 1.25 was the initial maintenance ratio at the time; 1.1 is more recent.

Oh, when did it change?

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Oh, when did it change?

Not sure. I pull the initial maintenance ratio directly from the cme files using XLS-SPAN and that's where I noticed the difference.

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rsm005 View Post
Also, @ron99 do you recall that post you put up some time ago about how to use your SPAN spreadsheet? Can you post a link to it?

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I'm not sure which spreadsheet you are referring to. Is it XLS-SPAN or something else?

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I'm not sure which spreadsheet you are referring to. Is it XLS-SPAN or something else?

Maybe @rsm005 is looking for good instructions on how to use XLS-Span, such as the ones you took time to detail here:

I had this in my notes so it was no trouble to find.

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