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Selling Options on Futures?

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Anybody have a good way to put large files on internet?

Google Drive, Dropbox or OneDrive should work ... then you could share with others by providing them a direct link to the file.

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I think maybe all of our requests are having an effect. I called and then followed up with an email. I got this response


If she does this I will share with everybody. Interesting that she chose those dates. I didn't ask for them but TFOpts did.

Anybody have a good way to put large files on internet? I'm thinking of running them through my reducer macro. That should reduce size by 84%.

That request was mine, when they said they couldn't do the full range, I asked for the first trading day of the month for each month within that range. Maddie was very helpful. I attach the files here.

She said there's an active project to add SPAN historical data to Datamine (CME database service).

@Dudetooth, I'm not sure if this format works with XLS-SPAN and has all the information used in XLS-SPAN. I haven't tried it yet.

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I'm not sure if this format works with XLS-SPAN and has all the information used in XLS-SPAN. I haven't tried it yet.

I'll be able to take a look at it tonight.

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That request was mine, when they said they couldn't do the full range, I asked for the first trading day of the month for each month within that range. Maddie was very helpful. I attach the files here.

She said there's an active project to add SPAN historical data to Datamine (CME database service).

@Dudetooth, I'm not sure if this format works with XLS-SPAN and has all the information used in XLS-SPAN. I haven't tried it yet.

After renaming the files, changing "ccl" to "cme", the files worked on the Scan sheet. But they don't work on the Track sheet.

We should move this discussion on SPAN files to the PC-SPAN thread.

TFOpts, could you post in the PC-SPAN thread with this attachment? Thanks

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TFOpts, could you post in the PC-SPAN thread with this attachment? Thanks

Ron, see here:

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With the 2008 first of the month SPAN files we now have I was able to test how my strategy would have done.

On 20080901 sold one ESz8p990 delta 4.65 and sold two ESz8p875 delta 1.30 (next strike higher was 900 with a 1.72 delta) which gives a net delta of 2.05. I used 6xIM.



Interesting that on Nov 3, even though futures were down 314 and the short was ITM, the spread only had a 17.1% draw down and was not on margin call (acct used for IM was 63.5%).

On Dec 1 the position was far ITM including the longs. You would have been on margin call before Dec 1 so I don't know the exact amount of draw down but it would have been less than the 46% on Dec 1.

You would have needed 12xIM to ride out Dec 1st.

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Here is how TFOpts's strategy (two short 3 delta + three long 1 delta 4xIM) would have done. You would have needed 13xIM to ride it out.



Here's how a naked 3 delta short would have done. You would have needed 28xIM to ride it out.


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With the 2008 first of the month SPAN files we now have I was able to test how my strategy would have done.

On 20080901 sold one ESz8p990 delta 4.65 and sold two ESz8p875 delta 1.30 (next strike higher was 900 with a 1.72 delta) which gives a net delta of 2.05. I used 6xIM.



Interesting that on Nov 3, even though futures were down 314 and the short was ITM, the spread only had a 17.1% draw down and was not on margin call (acct used for IM was 63.5%).

On Dec 1 the position was far ITM including the longs. You would have been on margin call before Dec 1 so I don't know the exact amount of draw down but it would have been less than the 46% on Dec 1.

You would have needed 12xIM to ride out Dec 1st.

Ron,

Can you compare the margin numbers? I get different results for % of IM. I have your initial margin as 1,148. In December the % of margin used is calculated as [1,361 + (610 - 98)] / 1,148 = 163%. The 1,361 is the Maintenance margin (1701 / 1.25).

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Here's an interesting observation that I think myrrdin has made before. There's less volatility in option value the closer you are to being ITM (higher initial delta).

Here are results using deltas of -5 and -1.5 (similar results as Ron's).


If we go further OTM with deltas of -3 and -0.5 the loss is greater.


If we go closer ITM with deltas of -7 and -2.5 there's actually a gain because the very far OTM options increase in value faster with the vol spike. You actually go on margin call at a profit

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