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Selling Options on Futures?

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No, I exit shorts and longs at same time. About 50% drop in net premium.

I would give away too much profit letting longs go to expiration.

Exactly, it was my first question, I want to adopt your stgy, today I sell 15-20 points spread ,but big quantity . It consumes a lot of capital. Thank you for your answers.

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Exactly, it was my first question, I want to adopt your stgy, today I sell 15-20 points spread ,but big quantity . It consumes a lot of capital. Thank you for your answers.

Have you calculated possible ROI on this trade?

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Ron and myself checked a lot of other commodities. But we did not find even one that allows for being short options (calls or puts) more or less permanently.

I sell a lot of options, but I consider all other trades with the exception of selling ES puts being directional trades.

Technicality maybe but selling ES puts is a directional trade, and the reason it works most of the time is because of upward bias of equities. The reason no other commodities allow you to be short options permanently is because no other markets have the same consistent directional bias.

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Have you calculated possible ROI on this trade?

My returns around 3-4% on a typical 5-10 days duration , everything expires worthless. But I wait for a better entry ,and it could take another week.

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My returns around 3-4% on a typical 5-10 days duration , everything expires worthless. But I wait for a better entry ,and it could take another week.

What percent of your account balance are you using for margin?

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What percent of your account balance are you using for margin?

50-60 % in excess to buy new position, a day before expiration of previous, if it a right drop and level , or just in case.

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50-60 % in excess to buy new position, a day before expiration of previous, if it a right drop and level , or just in case.

Be safe because with that low excess you could have a very large loss when you get a margin call.

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Hi folks,

Just wanted to ask if anybody has data to backtest in 2008 environment. I would like to see if ron's strategy can survive such mess. Not saying its going to be doomsday all of the sudden but I thought it would be interesting to give it a thought.

What happened to the options that were sold before the volatility exploded and the market seriously crashed. What happened to the options sold day after the market had a huge drop, etc.

At some point we are likely to have a bear market whether its this year or 10 years from now, I figured if we can assess the likely risk during these times, we can better prepare for it. After all, we had a very long bull market since then.

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Hi folks,

Just wanted to ask if anybody has data to backtest in 2008 environment. I would like to see if ron's strategy can survive such mess. Not saying its going to be doomsday all of the sudden but I thought it would be interesting to give it a thought.

What happened to the options that were sold before the volatility exploded and the market seriously crashed. What happened to the options sold day after the market had a huge drop, etc.

At some point we are likely to have a bear market whether its this year or 10 years from now, I figured if we can assess the likely risk during these times, we can better prepare for it. After all, we had a very long bull market since then.

Sadly, no we don't have that data. CME only released data back to 2013.

I have asked CME to release more years. Everybody should contact CME and ask them to release more years.

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