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Selling Options on Futures?

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MJ888
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Hello my fellow option sellers! I too have been looking at selling some CLZ13 calls at the 140, 145, 150 levels.

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Hello my fellow option sellers! I too have been looking at selling some CLZ13 calls at the 140, 145, 150 levels.

I'm holding the October 140's that have 28 DTE. Will look to sell Nov soon...

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I'm holding the October 140's that have 28 DTE. Will look to sell Nov soon...

I must think differently. I've got October 78s... puts.

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I must think differently. I've got October 78s... puts.


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I'm holding the October 140's that have 28 DTE. Will look to sell Nov soon...

Looks like you both made wise trades.

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I am wondering if anyone here might wish to comment on the value of diversification in writing strangles. Monthly I write in CL. I work on a 1/3 of my capital for margin. Which would essential on my risk profile eliminate taking on another trade in a different commodity. Diversification may not just refer to a different commodity. It may refer to different time periods or seasonality. The goal of my question is to explore the value of diversifying from my monthly regular trade in CL. Is there room for a more balanced, risk diverse approach? What might such an approach consist of? Any input would be appreciated.

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It's not in the realm of futures, but you could try strangles on equities and indexes and risking some earnings plays looking for "implied volatility" "crush". Also can work on some futures ETF's such as gdx,slv, uso, etc. and generally find more liquidity in # options contracts available to work with. But finding good deals in the premium may be hard to come by and requires filtering and searching the option chains for good premium to sell as they often change month to month so a same symbol is hard to rely on for the same monthly trades.

except for maybe major indexes, i.e. Karen the Supertrader on SPX, NDX but extremely costly to trade.

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Hi All,

I have an account with Halifax who seem to be more conservative than optionsxpress, I want to sell NOV CLX13 STRIKE 135 CALL @ .06 and there margin requirement is $1682.00.... With my bank of $70k / 5 = $14k I would allocate 5 different instruments then use a 3x margin cover which would be $14k /3 = $4666 of margin.

Initial Margin $1682... so that's $4666 / $1682 = 2 contracts..

Question is this to conservative?

Thanks for any feed back.

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I am wondering if anyone here might wish to comment on the value of diversification in writing strangles. Monthly I write in CL. I work on a 1/3 of my capital for margin. Which would essential on my risk profile eliminate taking on another trade in a different commodity. Diversification may not just refer to a different commodity. It may refer to different time periods or seasonality. The goal of my question is to explore the value of diversifying from my monthly regular trade in CL. Is there room for a more balanced, risk diverse approach? What might such an approach consist of? Any input would be appreciated.

I am not usually writing strangles, so my situation might not apply. I allocate roughly 10-15% per instrument to achieve diversification. I do not consider different time periods in the same instrument to be more diversification.

Here 's an example of what I have right now. Note that I do have some correlated instruments, so what I am doing is not true diversification.

Maybe this will give you some food for thought.

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Hi All,

I have an account with Halifax who seem to be more conservative than optionsxpress, I want to sell NOV CLX13 STRIKE 135 CALL @ .06 and there margin requirement is $1682.00.... With my bank of $70k / 5 = $14k I would allocate 5 different instruments then use a 3x margin cover which would be $14k /3 = $4666 of margin.

Initial Margin $1682... so that's $4666 / $1682 = 2 contracts..

Question is this to conservative?

Thanks for any feed back.

That is a hefty margin requirement. Options Express is $242, compared to your $1682.

If you use Ron's 3x rule, your ROI is going to be very low - mine is just over 2.1%, yours would be 0.31% if I did the math right. Not worth doing in my opinion.

You might want to find a broker more open to option writing.


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