NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Selling Options on Futures?


Discussion in Options

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one ron99 with 2,221 posts (4,489 thanks)
    2. looks_two SMCJB with 346 posts (733 thanks)
    3. looks_3 kevinkdog with 341 posts (400 thanks)
    4. looks_4 myrrdin with 288 posts (408 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one SMCJB with 2.1 thanks per post
    2. looks_two ron99 with 2 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 myrrdin with 1.4 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 kevinkdog with 1.2 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 1,985,502 views
    2. thumb_up 9,259 thanks given
    3. group 458 followers
    1. forum 7,370 posts
    2. attach_file 794 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Selling Options on Futures?

  #551 (permalink)
 ron99 
Cleveland, OH
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: QST
Broker: QST, DeCarley Trading, Gain
Trading: Options on Futures
Posts: 3,081 since Jul 2011
Thanks Given: 980
Thanks Received: 5,785


Selim View Post
Yes I did mean that ron99 about all your far out of the options not going into the money, ron99 during the financial crises of 2007 to 2009 how did you trade those markets for example oil was at 147 and went all the way to 30 something after it shot back up to the 90's even then your otm options woudnt have gone in the money? Cheers.

2008 I did not do well. Had some puts on that killed me during the summer. I wasn't smart enough to know I should have been selling calls. The 2nd half of 2008 I was out of options and doing crude spreads. Those did real well. But they quit working early in 2009.

I did very well in 2009.

Other trading strategies will work for a while then quit working. Option selling seem to always work. You just have to change commodities and timing.

But sometimes you just have to not be trading and wait for the markets to calm down.

Started this thread Reply With Quote
Thanked by:

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
PowerLanguage & EasyLanguage. How to get the platfor …
EasyLanguage Programming
REcommedations for programming help
Sierra Chart
Exit Strategy
NinjaTrader
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
Pivot Indicator like the old SwingTemp by Big Mike
NinjaTrader
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
31 thanks
Spoo-nalysis ES e-mini futures S&P 500
28 thanks
Tao te Trade: way of the WLD
24 thanks
Bigger Wins or Fewer Losses?
20 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
17 thanks
  #552 (permalink)
MJ888
Houston, Texas
 
Posts: 165 since Sep 2012
Thanks Given: 37
Thanks Received: 150

Selim,

If you have the time, scroll back and read this thread from the beginning. The advice here is fantastic. Like Ron99 said, Cordier's book is a very good read but I do find his recommendations are too close to the money. Cordier suggests strikes with delta's below 0.20 but I have found that going even farther out is safer. Such as strikes with delta below 0.10 or be like Ron99 and sell strikes with delta below 0.03

But like Cordier says over and over, a well established options selling portfolio is very boring especially at the start. It took me a LONG TIME to understand that. Waiting 60-90 or more days to collect decent profits is like waiting for paint to dry BUT if your positions are staggered like Cordier suggests, there would be sets of options expiring every month once you get going.

MJ888

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #553 (permalink)
 
opts's Avatar
 opts 
NW Florida
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: OX and TOS
Trading: Futures Options, Stocks
Posts: 234 since Aug 2012
Thanks Given: 29
Thanks Received: 115


Remember guys, Cordier does give a good foundation but his method does not necessarily mean that you must follow his ways. Selling the options several months out does give a higher premium but you don't have to wait several months to take a profit. I sell options with several profit strategies in mind. If you are selling with three or four months of time premium you can still buy back the options with two or three months of time left. A profit is a profit no matter how you look at it. I often sell options with premiums of no less $50 with about a month of time left and let those expire. There are numerous profit % strategies that you can use. IT IS YOUR MONEY.

I agree 100% with ron99 that you must be well funded with cash in your account to keep there as cash. Over-positioning can be very painful if you do not have the cash to cover. Keep an eye on the futures news calendars as well.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #554 (permalink)
MJ888
Houston, Texas
 
Posts: 165 since Sep 2012
Thanks Given: 37
Thanks Received: 150


opts View Post
Remember guys, Cordier does give a good foundation but his method does not necessarily mean that you must follow his ways. Selling the options several months out does give a higher premium but you don't have to wait several months to take a profit. I sell options with several profit strategies in mind. If you are selling with three or four months of time premium you can still buy back the options with two or three months of time left. A profit is a profit no matter how you look at it. I often sell options with premiums of no less $50 with about a month of time left and let those expire. There are numerous profit % strategies that you can use. IT IS YOUR MONEY.

Totally agree. I sold three April CL 70 puts back on December 4 for a premium of 0.72, they expire March 15 but I exited last Friday at 0.06 for a profit of $1,906 and if I would have waited until today, the premium is 0.04. I saw no reason NOT to lock in the profit, for me there was no need to wait until March 15 to make an additional $180 when I can lock in $1,906

MJ888

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #555 (permalink)
 ron99 
Cleveland, OH
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: QST
Broker: QST, DeCarley Trading, Gain
Trading: Options on Futures
Posts: 3,081 since Jul 2011
Thanks Given: 980
Thanks Received: 5,785


MJ888 View Post
Totally agree. I sold three April CL 70 puts back on December 4 for a premium of 0.72, they expire March 15 but I exited last Friday at 0.06 for a profit of $1,906 and if I would have waited until today, the premium is 0.04. I saw no reason NOT to lock in the profit, for me there was no need to wait until March 15 to make an additional $180 when I can lock in $1,906

MJ888

And this shows that there are several ways to sell options. You did well and made good profit.

I will sell these options for .04 and make 4.1% in 50 days. 29.8% annualized.

Started this thread Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #556 (permalink)
 
opts's Avatar
 opts 
NW Florida
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: OX and TOS
Trading: Futures Options, Stocks
Posts: 234 since Aug 2012
Thanks Given: 29
Thanks Received: 115

A few profit taking strategies right there.

I'm currently strangling March Wheat and my Feb 655's are going to expire worthless tomorrow. Keeping an eye on SI, and CL.

One thing I noticed about this forum and this thread in particular is that nobody is ripping on anyone here for selling options on futures. There's no "Your and idiot for even thinking about that"...etc. That's worth a lot also

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #557 (permalink)
 kevinkdog   is a Vendor
 
Posts: 3,663 since Jul 2012
Thanks Given: 1,892
Thanks Received: 7,357


opts View Post
A few profit taking strategies right there.

I'm currently strangling March Wheat and my Feb 655's are going to expire worthless tomorrow. Keeping an eye on SI, and CL.

One thing I noticed about this forum and this thread in particular is that nobody is ripping on anyone here for selling options on futures. There's no "Your and idiot for even thinking about that"...etc. That's worth a lot also

I credit Big Mike and the other moderators for that. People who insult and degrade others here quickly find themselves suspended or have their membership revoked.

Thanks Big Mike!

Follow me on Twitter Reply With Quote
  #558 (permalink)
 kevinkdog   is a Vendor
 
Posts: 3,663 since Jul 2012
Thanks Given: 1,892
Thanks Received: 7,357


ron99 View Post
Short options - 746 trades of 5,034 contracts = 150k profit. A lot less contracts than 2011 but more profit.

Hi Ron -

Your willingness to share has inspired me to consider options on futures - something I have never done before. Maybe in an IRA acct. Of course, I can already hear the established players licking their chops at this new fresh meat coming their way!

Anyhow, in 2012 you had 746 short option trades. I am assuming that includes trades where you add on positions as expiration draws closer, correct? If I am correct, do you have a count of how many "unique" trades you put on? So, for example if you sold May Coffee puts today, and then sold more (same expiration, maybe different strikes) a month from now, that would only count as 1 unique trade.

I'm just trying to get a sense of how many opportunities you find per year.

THANKS, and stay warm in cold Ohio!

Follow me on Twitter Reply With Quote
  #559 (permalink)
MJ888
Houston, Texas
 
Posts: 165 since Sep 2012
Thanks Given: 37
Thanks Received: 150


opts View Post
One thing I noticed about this forum and this thread in particular is that nobody is ripping on anyone here for selling options on futures. There's no "Your and idiot for even thinking about that"...etc. That's worth a lot also

This is one of the only trading forums that I am a member of. And yes, this thread is one of the best sharing of ideas that I have come across on the net.

Thanks Big Mike for keeping it this way. And thanks to the regulars on this thread for keeping it civilized.

From my experience, I have found that when there is a lot of disrespect and ripping within a thread, it usually involves people who are not actually trading and are there just to bash people.

I particularly like that everyone here is respectful of each other's ideas and trading style. Trading is NOT about being right or wrong, it is about MAKING MONEY.

Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #560 (permalink)
 Selim 
Voula -- Athens,Greece
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Saxo
Trading: Oil
Posts: 26 since Jan 2013
Thanks Given: 1
Thanks Received: 0


Hey everybody I was just wondering if you guys have heard of sucden international they seem to focus on commodities and options, they are based in London and they seem to be very professional. Thanks

Reply With Quote




Last Updated on July 28, 2023


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts