NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Selling Options on Futures?


Discussion in Options

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one ron99 with 2,221 posts (4,489 thanks)
    2. looks_two SMCJB with 346 posts (733 thanks)
    3. looks_3 kevinkdog with 341 posts (400 thanks)
    4. looks_4 myrrdin with 288 posts (408 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one SMCJB with 2.1 thanks per post
    2. looks_two ron99 with 2 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 myrrdin with 1.4 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 kevinkdog with 1.2 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 1,987,332 views
    2. thumb_up 9,259 thanks given
    3. group 458 followers
    1. forum 7,370 posts
    2. attach_file 794 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Selling Options on Futures?

  #281 (permalink)
 ron99 
Cleveland, OH
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: QST
Broker: QST, DeCarley Trading, Gain
Trading: Options on Futures
Posts: 3,081 since Jul 2011
Thanks Given: 980
Thanks Received: 5,785


Mark59 View Post
Hi Ron

That was for all 4 Options, 2 Silver & 2 Oil.

Question;

When you budget to keep twice the Margin in reserve do you count the Maintenance Margin as well?

Thanks!
Mark

I never look at Maintenance Margin.

If you cut the excess because Mat margin is lower you will end up getting burned because you don't have enough excess.

Doing less trades and having 90+% winners is far more important than having more trades and < 90% winners because those losers hurt badly. They wipe out the winnings from a lot of trades.

And I know that because I did that.

Started this thread Reply With Quote
Thanked by:

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Exit Strategy
NinjaTrader
REcommedations for programming help
Sierra Chart
Pivot Indicator like the old SwingTemp by Big Mike
NinjaTrader
PowerLanguage & EasyLanguage. How to get the platfor …
EasyLanguage Programming
MC PL editor upgrade
MultiCharts
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Spoo-nalysis ES e-mini futures S&P 500
29 thanks
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
25 thanks
Tao te Trade: way of the WLD
24 thanks
Bigger Wins or Fewer Losses?
21 thanks
GFIs1 1 DAX trade per day journal
16 thanks
  #282 (permalink)
Mark59
Toronto/Canada
 
Posts: 25 since Oct 2012
Thanks Given: 20
Thanks Received: 5

I Hear ya!

I was not looking at using the less amount .....I was wondering if you add it to the regular Margin.

Thanks for the reply

Mark

Reply With Quote
  #283 (permalink)
 ron99 
Cleveland, OH
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: QST
Broker: QST, DeCarley Trading, Gain
Trading: Options on Futures
Posts: 3,081 since Jul 2011
Thanks Given: 980
Thanks Received: 5,785



Mark59 View Post
I Hear ya!

I was not looking at using the less amount .....I was wondering if you add it to the regular Margin.

Thanks for the reply

Mark

Sorry, I misinterpreted your post.

Started this thread Reply With Quote
  #284 (permalink)
Raven
Huntsville AL/USA
 
Posts: 54 since May 2012
Thanks Given: 80
Thanks Received: 26


ron99 View Post
I never look at Maintenance Margin.

If you cut the excess because Mat margin is lower you will end up getting burned because you don't have enough excess.

Doing less trades and having 90+% winners is far more important than having more trades and < 90% winners because those losers hurt badly. They wipe out the winnings from a lot of trades.And I know that because I did that.

AMEN to this wise nugget! This is valuable advice!

Reply With Quote
  #285 (permalink)
Mark59
Toronto/Canada
 
Posts: 25 since Oct 2012
Thanks Given: 20
Thanks Received: 5

Ron
Appreciate all your input!

Reply With Quote
  #286 (permalink)
aayohanes
jawatimur
 
Posts: 3 since Oct 2012
Thanks Given: 0
Thanks Received: 0

dear ron99,

i am sorry if my english bad, please appologize for my wrong info, i am using interactive brokers platform.
thank you very much for your information thats realy help me.
ron can you give me the information of your stop loss or what should you do when the price agains you. i am usually put stop loss when the premium became double. like my trade CL DEC 75.5 PUT @0.14 i will put stop loss when the premium @0.28.

Reply With Quote
  #287 (permalink)
 rosho01 
London/UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: IBs ladder / Market Delta charts
Broker: IB / IQfeed
Trading: Bund
Posts: 438 since Sep 2012
Thanks Given: 260
Thanks Received: 96


aayohanes View Post
dear ron99,

i am sorry if my english bad, please appologize for my wrong info, i am using interactive brokers platform.
thank you very much for your information thats realy help me.
ron can you give me the information of your stop loss or what should you do when the price agains you. i am usually put stop loss when the premium became double. like my trade CL DEC 75.5 PUT @0.14 i will put stop loss when the premium @0.28.

hi aayohanes,
this is not to answer for ron, just to give you something to think about. the price of the put can increase to twice the amount despite the underlying not moving much at all (its unlikely, but it can), as there are other key drivers of option price (especially OTM puts) rather than merely the underlying spot price. for this reason i believe its fairly crucial to understand all the key option price drivers before trading it. thats just my opinion though, and what do i know?

g/l.

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #288 (permalink)
 rosho01 
London/UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: IBs ladder / Market Delta charts
Broker: IB / IQfeed
Trading: Bund
Posts: 438 since Sep 2012
Thanks Given: 260
Thanks Received: 96


aayohanes View Post
dear ron99,

i am sorry if my english bad, please appologize for my wrong info, i am using interactive brokers platform.
thank you very much for your information thats realy help me.
ron can you give me the information of your stop loss or what should you do when the price agains you. i am usually put stop loss when the premium became double. like my trade CL DEC 75.5 PUT @0.14 i will put stop loss when the premium @0.28.

hi aayohanes,
this is not to answer for ron, just to give you something to think about. the price of the put can increase to twice the amount despite the underlying not moving much at all (its unlikely, but it can), as there are other key drivers of option price (especially OTM puts) rather than merely the underlying spot price (volatility being one). for this reason i believe its fairly crucial to understand all the key option price drivers before trading it. thats just my opinion though, and what do i know?

g/l.

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #289 (permalink)
 britkid99 
Derby UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Sierra Chart
Trading: Futures Options, CL
Posts: 175 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 105
Thanks Received: 134

Around the close on Wednesday when ES was 1402, I noticed it was possible to sell 1420 call and 1380 put for 2.00 points each or $200 per strangle. This seemed a good return for 2 days of risk and 20 points movement each way.
Thursday open saw a high of 1416.75 which was getting a bit close and the call had doubled then it sold off nicely, the low of 1397.5 occured today so the puts were never really challenged.

The latest email from James Cordier is prepping for Coffee puts although he doesn't mention any strikes, looks interesting though as I am looking for something to sell.

Brit

Reply With Quote
  #290 (permalink)
 rosho01 
London/UK
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: IBs ladder / Market Delta charts
Broker: IB / IQfeed
Trading: Bund
Posts: 438 since Sep 2012
Thanks Given: 260
Thanks Received: 96


A good trade BK, it is major support @ 1400 (also a triple bottom on the H1) so if it did break I wld expect the momentum wld have pushed it down....if it broke. The technicals on shorting coffee or selling calls look good, was tempted a whle back but it spike to 180, which was a bit out my comfort zone.

Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote




Last Updated on July 28, 2023


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts