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Selling Options on Futures?

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 datahogg 
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Lessons learnt from "Optionselling.com"

I learnt a lot from reading the book by Cordier & Gross, as many other option sellers did. We probably will not get another book by these authors, but what can we learn from the recent incidents ?

When selling options, avoid weather markets. Of course, weather influences the prices of many commodities all around the year. But there are periods, when a change of weather can change the price of a commodity in a dramatic way, and can change volatility in a dramatic way. Examples are the NGZ to NGH contracts from November until February, but also corn contracts in June / July or coffee contracts in July (frost in Brazil ?) or September (flowering). It is tempting to sell options at these times of the year because of the high volatility, but there is a reason for this high volatility.

When selling options, liquidate when you have to liquidate. The price of Natural Gas moved up severely and with strong volume since 5th of November. There were several days when it was possible for Cordier & Gross to exit at fair conditions. Of course, it is no fun to accept a severe loss. But sometimes it is the only way to avoid a disaster.

When selling options, check the availability of options to buy back. It is not the first time that large firms get into severe problems selling a large number of NG OTM calls at this time of the year, and having problems to buy them back. It looks like market makers are waiting for such situations, and make tons of money selling options to companies in severe problems. Cordier & Gross should hVW knowN these examples.

Selling (F)OTM calls is riskier than selling ATM or close to the money OTM options in so far, as an abrupt rise in volatility is much more harmful than for ATM options. The risk to get in the money of course is larger for closer to the money options, but as long as there are enough days until expiry, this is not really a problem. The risk of an exploding value of the options due to exploding volatility is significantly larger for (F)OTM options.

Above all: The most important target in trading is not to make money. But to preserve the capital.

Good trading !

Best regards from Austria, Myrrdin

No matter how smart we are, or how we plan or scheme, or analyze that black swan can get anyone.

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Thank you for posting the info.

Can I ask you about when they entered these positions?

Ron,

The /NG positions were strangles put in at various dates between March and September

Same thing with /CL

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vmaiya73 View Post
Anyways i was able to pull up my last statement and they were short the following /NG call:

Mar 19 4.15
Mar 19 4.5
Mar 19 4.65
Mar 19 4.75
Mar 19 5

It's always March that gets them. March looks the fatest, it has the longest time to expiry, and the fatest vol. But it has that fat vol for a reason! Many of the biggest NG option traders have seen this happen several times before. They may lose a little money a few years in a row on this trade but the years they make, they get it all back and more.

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It's always March that gets them. March looks the fatest, it has the longest time to expiry, and the fatest vol. But it has that fat vol for a reason! Many of the biggest NG option traders have seen this happen several times before. They may lose a little money a few years in a row on this trade but the years they make, they get it all back and more.

Doesn't seem smart to sell naked NG call options just before the winter season.

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If you look at the last 10 years, November is not the month natural gas rallies. This is very unusual but like mattz said above, they may have been the one who brought the volatility in. Most of the open interest on several of the strikes may have been just them.




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Doesn't seem smart to sell naked NG call options just before the winter season.


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Video update from James Cordier:

https://hh206.infusionsoft.com/app/linkClick/41465/8827ad20a8d7d8d7/7971715/8503371e0a7c9719

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Thank you for posting. This is incredibly sad.

Everyone should watch this so you can see how you will feel if you aren't careful. I know from my own experience it's a feeling you never want to know. I have been there and done that but not at the scale of his losses.

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This is so sad and very hard to watch. The worse part for their clients is not only losing all their capital but owe more. Hope everyone makes it out ok from this.




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I don't understand why you say "as long as there are enough days until expiry, this is not really a problem.". Please explain.

Selling an ATM put option is a directional trade, just as buying an outright future. Delta is 50 %, the change of delta is very moderate compared to the change of delta of a FOTM option, as long as there are many DTE. The option is more or less moving at half the speed of the underlying future. Just as trading an outright future, you can place an end of day stop, and you will be able to get out easily with a high probility, sometimes having to accept a loss. If the stop is chosen properly the loss should not destroy your account. It does not matter, if you are a little bit in the money or out of the money.

In case there are only few DTE there is a significant gamma risk for ATM options. This is why I like Ron's rule of getting out at 50 % also for ATM options.

I had bought (!) an ATM Call NGH C3.0 on October, 29th for 0.268. The option traded below 1.000 yesterday evening. If I had sold this ATM option end of October (instead of buying it) my loss would have been less than 300 %. That is no fun, but - assuming an appropriate money management (size of the position 1 - 3 % of account) - the loss would be in the order of magnitude of max. 10 % of the account. The days before the loss might have been 15 % of the account. Still no catastrophe. I assume that Cordiers money management was ok. But selling the OTM calls had a severe delta and gamma risk, that hit his accounts.

In my opinion there are two risks selling ATM options: The gamma risk with few DTE, and the risk of being wrong regarding the fundamentals. This makes these trades very different from selling OTM options. But as long as there are enough DTE the gamma risk is manageable.

Best regards, Myrrdin

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datahogg View Post
No matter how smart we are, or how we plan or scheme, or analyze that black swan can get anyone.

You are correct, the black swan can get anyone.

That is why I am of the opinion to place the capital in different asset classes, eg. real estate, gold, stocks, futures & options, and a government-run retirement account.

Best regards, Myrrdin

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