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hey, I'm a new member here in the thread.
I am from Germany and I hope you understand my mediocre english.
For 2 years I trade options.
My preferred strategies are so far short puts on stocks.
Now I would like to start trading with FOPs.
Since I am almost only American values trade I have registered here in this forum and now hope to learn a lot from you.
I will ask many questions in the near future and hope that this is so okay.
I am looking forward to a good cooperation.

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I'm looking for a way to chart the implied volatility of the commodity futures. Eg, a one year chart.

Currently I found only ivolatility. (and barchart.com but there is a lot of volatility data missing )
Do you guys know another source ?

USchartco.com has this available underneath yearlong charts. I think they will give you a free trial to confirm it's what you're looking for.

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hey, I'm a new member here in the thread.
I am from Germany and I hope you understand my mediocre english.
For 2 years I trade options.
My preferred strategies are so far short puts on stocks.
Now I would like to start trading with FOPs.
Since I am almost only American values trade I have registered here in this forum and now hope to learn a lot from you.
I will ask many questions in the near future and hope that this is so okay.
I am looking forward to a good cooperation.

Welcome.

Feel free to ask questions. We all can learn from each other.

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hey Ben & all other members

thanks for this tip. But I have known Jens Rabe for nearly 3 years.
I personally know him personally and appreciate & respect him very much.
Since that time I am also a student of him. My options trade is based on his teachings.
But what is still missing is the fundamental approach.
The entry into new trades is based too much on chart technology.
And I would like to know something about the fundamentals before a trade opening, so I know what to expect.
This part is a little too short for JR.This is one of the reasons why I have registered here in this forum.

regards Micha

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hi Guys,
according to which criteria you set new trades on in Futures ?
Accordind on technicals or fundamental or a mixture ?
I have been oriented to the technical so far and would like to use a mixture of both in the future.
Only I do not know on which sites I get the latest information for it.
Or perhaps this approach makes no sense?

thx for your help, Micha

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hi Guys,
according to which criteria you set new trades on in Futures ?
Accordind on technicals or fundamental or a mixture ?
I have been oriented to the technical so far and would like to use a mixture of both in the future.
Only I do not know on which sites I get the latest information for it.
Or perhaps this approach makes no sense?

thx for your help, Micha

This very general question can only be answered in a very general way: Supply & Demand, COT data, seasonals. Depending on the commodity you can consider adding additionally inflation development, currency development, interest rate development etc.

There is a lot of information on fundamentals in this thread (you have to go back some time, as most discussion here in recent months was about selling ES puts), and in the thread "Diversified Option Selling Portfolio". I suggest you read through these threads and come back with more detailed questions regarding one commodity.

I am aware that reading through these threads is a lot of work. But you will learn more then from many books

Best regards, Myrrdin

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hey Ben & all other members

thanks for this tip. But I have known Jens Rabe for nearly 3 years.
I personally know him personally and appreciate & respect him very much.
Since that time I am also a student of him. My options trade is based on his teachings.
But what is still missing is the fundamental approach.
The entry into new trades is based too much on chart technology.
And I would like to know something about the fundamentals before a trade opening, so I know what to expect.
This part is a little too short for JR.This is one of the reasons why I have registered here in this forum.

regards Micha

I am doing it pretty much the same, want to know more fundamentals. For now I'm concentrating on seasonals

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ROI is horrible now. Base Volatility (BV) is down to 9.8%. Lowest this year.

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I looked up doing a new spread ESz7p2030(2)p1900(3) and possible ROI is only 0.4% because net premium is only $75 before costs with IM at $396.

I decided I'm going to take an RV trip and not have any positions on for that low ROI.

Sorry but I picked the wrong put strike in that post.

That sentence should have read;
I looked up doing a new spread ESz7p2030(2)p1810(3) and possible ROI is only 2.9% because net premium is only $165 before costs with IM at $460.

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Well that didn't work. Almost no drop on Friday. Price up today.

In hindsight I should have just stayed with plan, ignore everything else and not try to time entry and exit.

Looks like another seasonal (the drop on expiration day) that has quit working.

So in hindsight I should have just reentered on Sep 14 and Sep 28 I would have exited at 50% drop.

Learn from my mistake.

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Oct 2 I sold EW3f8p2020(2)p1780(3) for 3.15. IM is $462. DTE is 108. Possible ROI at 50% drop exit at 30 days is 2.6%.

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