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Selling Options on Futures?

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mixpol View Post
here you are! settl may CL =103.76 !!
congrats u all

my analize in jun CL exp in 106/93 range!! lets see

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i've had such trades in demo and wrote results in my topic ???? ???????? ??????? ?? ???? ? ???????? 400?

it has greeks numbers much better than naked options, also look at ROI! fees in Vision are pretty comfortable 9 per round

This is pretty interesting. Should work out much better than credit spreads because you now sell the highest IV and buy the lowest (closest to ATM). Instead of a credit spread where you sell the lowest and hedge with the highest...

Are you consistently profitable with these, or?

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This is pretty interesting. Should work out much better than credit spreads because you now sell the highest IV and buy the lowest (closest to ATM). Instead of a credit spread where you sell the lowest and hedge with the highest...

Are you consistently profitable with these, or?

yes, if u trade it with discipline and MM

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yes, if u trade it with discipline and MM

Thanks for the info. What are your exit criteria in case things don't go as planned?

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Looking at parameters and variables

I thought I would share how I am learning how to diversify my trading instead of being focused only on CL. I have already had winning trades in Soyabeans and Hogs for April and May. So I thought I should better understand possible trade scenario's in some of these commodities. I looked at trying to keep all variables in line and see what margin would be required. An attempt to keep the following parameters for each trade the same where probability, strikes at 20% spread of underlying, approximately 10 lots, and a target premium of $2000.00. Then to look at IV and Margin to gather some kind of better understanding of how these trades might look and work. Here are the summary tables. The first based on 60DTE and the second based on 30DTE. I welcome comments and criticisms.

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Here is a link to the full document behind these tables. This is by no means a study based on confidience intervals or statistical sampling. It is an attempt to compare a similar trade across four different commodities.

Full Documentation.

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I thought I would share how I am learning how to diversify my trading instead of being focused only on CL. I have already had winning trades in Soyabeans and Hogs for April and May. So I thought I should better understand possible trade scenario's in some of these commodities. I looked at trying to keep all variables in line and see what margin would be required. An attempt to keep the following parameters for each trade the same where probability, strikes at 20% spread of underlying, approximately 10 lots, and a target premium of $2000.00. Then to look at IV and Margin to gather some kind of better understanding of how these trades might look and work. Here are the summary tables. The first based on 60DTE and the second based on 30DTE. I welcome comments and criticisms.

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Here is a link to the full document behind these tables. This is by no means a study based on confidience intervals or statistical sampling. It is an attempt to compare a similar trade across four different commodities.

Full Documentation.

If the data is recent, the option prices look OK, but the IVs are off. Corn too low, beans too high in the 60 DTE. I wouldn't trade (or model) May hogs. They should kill that contract. Very little activity in the underlying, even less so in the options.

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OptionsXpress might be fine for execution and their margin policy, but I've never been comfortable with their options chains, esp. with thinner contracts. Too many gaps, which is bad enough, but I'd prefer a gap to meaningless (garbage) numbers.

You have a good, systematic approach. Just make sure you're using good data. If you don't find decent candidates, wait a month or so. Like clockwork, IV in the grains will rise, at least through Jul and often into August.

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Hello Everybody,

I am new to this forum, i am studying james cordier & michael gross' book on option selling and have applied for an account with options express.

Is anyone here with optionsxpress in australia ? how do you qualify to increase your trading level with this online broker to be able to sell option premium ? when my account is activated i believe i will be rated at level 1 which restricts me to buying and selling basic stock.

What options do i have ?

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Hello Everybody,

I am new to this forum, i am studying james cordier & michael gross' book on option selling and have applied for an account with options express.

Is anyone here with optionsxpress in australia ? how do you qualify to increase your trading level with this online broker to be able to sell option premium ? when my account is activated i believe i will be rated at level 1 which restricts me to buying and selling basic stock.

What options do i have ?

You should be able to email them and apply for an elevated level. Good luck.

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You should be able to email them and apply for an elevated level. Good luck.

Thanks EliteThink, i will discuss it with OptionsXpress.


Thanks BlueRoo for the PM

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Hey, is anyone else having problems with OptionsXpress in regards to viewing ICE future quotes?

I want to view the coffee futures, but I can't. Here's what I was told:

"If you wish to continue to receive these quotes, please send an email to futuresteam@optionsxress.com. Please provide the last 4 digits of the account number, the account title, and that you authorize optionsxpress to provide ICE exchange quotes and that you agree to the $85 per month fee for ICE exchange quotes."



So basically, we will have to pay an additional $85 a month to OX in order to be able to trade these options, wtf!


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