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Selling Options on Futures?

Old December 26th, 2013, 07:37 PM   #2701 (permalink)
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Hey Brit I think you might have something off here

The $7 spread is H4-Z4 but Mar14 expires in about 50days on 20-Feb not in 8 months.

If you meant Mar15, then Z14-H15 spread is less than $2.50, but Z4 but does expire in just under 11 months.

SMCJB,

There would be a few rolls needed of the short contract. Mar14 to May14 to Jul14 to Sep14 to Nov14 or close out. The intention is to roll for even money if possible or around 20c at worst. 4 rolls at 20c equals 80c off your return. I will try to roll every 2 months to keep commissions down.

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Old December 26th, 2013, 07:40 PM   #2702 (permalink)
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I have been looking at futures research providers to see if they had a easy way to query the data to get results in a particular format. MRCI came closest to what I have in mind but still doesnít help much. I downloaded futures prices in Excel from Quandl (a free resource) and tried to work on the data to get what I have in mind but didnít get far. I am trying to get closing price for a particular day (same day and month) for the previous 5/10 years and then the closing price for another particular day in the future (same day and month),. Also, the interim High and Low between those two dates. The result to be presented in a tabular form, for example:

Entry Date - 12/26/13, 12/26/ 12, 12/26/11, 12/24/10
Entry Price
Interim High
Interim Low
Exit Date - 02/14/13, 02/14/12, 02/14/11, 02/14/10
Exist Price

Sorry, am not able to get it post it right in the table form. The above would be the column headings.

The dates would be adjusted to reflect the actual days in case the particular day/s were non-trading days. For example in 2010, 26th was a Sunday, so the date will be 24th.

Does anyone know of any research outfit where I might be able to get something similar? Any advice on how I might be able to work it out in Excel will help, too.

Here is a copy of part of a spreadsheet that I use.
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The chart shows the daily settlement price for all years since 2006. On the right is the date and settlement prices that I imported from QST. The seasonal chart is from MRCI.

Below is for each contract for 56 & 90 days periods but doesn't use a specific start date.

https://futures.io/elite-circle/20164-master-homework-statistics-thread-30.html#post321371

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Old December 27th, 2013, 09:40 AM   #2703 (permalink)
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EIA Natural Gas Storage Report Expectations 27-Dec-13 for week ending 20-Dec-13

The largest survey I see (34 respondents) shows
Average -176.4
Median -176
Range -160 to -194
Std Dev 7.9

This week last year -74
5yr Average -125

Actual report will be available at Weekly Natural Gas Storage Report - EIA at 1030 EPT

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Old December 27th, 2013, 10:29 AM   #2704 (permalink)
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Right now this spread can be closed for about 2 cent debit leaving net profit of about 900 in 2 days. Or you can hold on for a while and take chance that it would go in credit and close there. I am holding and will post when I close.

Closing this spread now for about 9 cent credit (5.20 for 600 calls and 35.00 for 425 calls) bringing total profit to 2000 (1100 + 900) on margin of about 7000 (1000 initial + 6000 spare) in a week - 28.5% ROI.

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Old December 27th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #2705 (permalink)
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EIA Natural Gas Storage Report Expectations 27-Dec-13 for week ending 20-Dec-13

The largest survey I see (34 respondents) shows
Average -176.4
Median -176
Range -160 to -194
Std Dev 7.9

This week last year -74
5yr Average -125

Actual report will be available at Weekly Natural Gas Storage Report - EIA at 1030 EPT

EIA Reported -177 right on expectations.
Stocks are now 591 BCF below last year (-16%) and 313 BCF below the previous 5 year average (-9%)

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Old December 27th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #2706 (permalink)
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Closing this spread now for about 9 cent credit (5.20 for 600 calls and 35.00 for 425 calls) bringing total profit to 2000 (1100 + 900) on margin of about 7000 (1000 initial + 6000 spare) in a week - 28.5% ROI.

Nice trade. Congratz

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Old December 27th, 2013, 12:23 PM   #2707 (permalink)
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Closing this spread now for about 9 cent credit (5.20 for 600 calls and 35.00 for 425 calls) bringing total profit to 2000 (1100 + 900) on margin of about 7000 (1000 initial + 6000 spare) in a week - 28.5% ROI.

Well done and thanks for sharing. I was not able to put it on that day, even though it looked pretty good. I wanted to look at it more since had already booked a big loss in NG and was still holding some calls which made me anxious.

How were you able to locate this trade? Do you have a some system or its just that the NG volatilities went thru' the roof and that attracted your attention?

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Old December 27th, 2013, 02:25 PM   #2708 (permalink)
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I have been looking at futures research providers to see if they had a easy way to query the data to get results in a particular format. MRCI came closest to what I have in mind but still doesnít help much. I downloaded futures prices in Excel from Quandl (a free resource) and tried to work on the data to get what I have in mind but didnít get far. I am trying to get closing price for a particular day (same day and month) for the previous 5/10 years and then the closing price for another particular day in the future (same day and month),. Also, the interim High and Low between those two dates. The result to be presented in a tabular form, for example:

Entry Date - 12/26/13, 12/26/ 12, 12/26/11, 12/24/10
Entry Price
Interim High
Interim Low
Exit Date - 02/14/13, 02/14/12, 02/14/11, 02/14/10
Exist Price

Sorry, am not able to get it post it right in the table form. The above would be the column headings.

The dates would be adjusted to reflect the actual days in case the particular day/s were non-trading days. For example in 2010, 26th was a Sunday, so the date will be 24th.

Does anyone know of any research outfit where I might be able to get something similar? Any advice on how I might be able to work it out in Excel will help, too.

hey barrington,

i use Commodity Research Bureau - (CRB) - Commodity Perspective (CP) - they do major futures markets inc commods / indices / ccy futures for $350 pa for eod futures prices in ascii format. i actually have a slightly diff format for a specific type of software (which isnt v gd) & will be upgrading to the ascii format so i can start importing into access/oracle/excel & run my own reports.

not sure if its what you are looking for, their cust service is pretty gd so perhaps give them a call.

hny everyone.

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Old December 27th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #2709 (permalink)
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Well done and thanks for sharing. I was not able to put it on that day, even though it looked pretty good. I wanted to look at it more since had already booked a big loss in NG and was still holding some calls which made me anxious.

How were you able to locate this trade? Do you have a some system or its just that the NG volatilities went thru' the roof and that attracted your attention?

It was more of very high volatility in March NG and some price action reading (Al Brooks style) that attracted my attention. Price action wise - spike phase just ended last week and channel is beginning. Probability of another spike right now is low. Also only way to lose money on that spread at that time of inception was another price spike higher - a low probability. Volatility of calls sold was almost one standard deviation above historical and usually volatility is mean reverting. That two and also the fact that the spread would act as kind of hedge against my existing naked call position (if price goes up slowly in channel) gave me confidence to take the trade.

I have already explained my action plan on it on previous posts. Many markets give this kind of opp 1 or 2 times a year but most time it is due to a move that has gone against option sellers and hence very few have desire/ability to take additional risk.

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Old December 27th, 2013, 02:39 PM   #2710 (permalink)
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I have been looking at futures research providers to see if they had a easy way to query the data to get results in a particular format. MRCI came closest to what I have in mind but still doesnít help much. I downloaded futures prices in Excel from Quandl (a free resource) and tried to work on the data to get what I have in mind but didnít get far. I am trying to get closing price for a particular day (same day and month) for the previous 5/10 years and then the closing price for another particular day in the future (same day and month),. Also, the interim High and Low between those two dates. The result to be presented in a tabular form, for example:

Entry Date - 12/26/13, 12/26/ 12, 12/26/11, 12/24/10
Entry Price
Interim High
Interim Low
Exit Date - 02/14/13, 02/14/12, 02/14/11, 02/14/10
Exist Price

Sorry, am not able to get it post it right in the table form. The above would be the column headings.

The dates would be adjusted to reflect the actual days in case the particular day/s were non-trading days. For example in 2010, 26th was a Sunday, so the date will be 24th.

Does anyone know of any research outfit where I might be able to get something similar? Any advice on how I might be able to work it out in Excel will help, too.

Morningstar's Commodity Query (Morningstar bought LIM a few years back and this is the successor to XMIM) could perform a query like this very quickly. Unfortunately it's not a cheap product for a retail trader.

Query would look something like this

SHOW
1: Close of NG
2: 40 day high of NG
3: 40 day low of NG
WHEN
Date is 20 business day in December
OR
Date is 14 business day in February

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