Firstly i would like to thank you for this forum. I have been using your ROI method for the last 6 months and so far i am rebuilding my account from previously buying futures options. I had looked at sellling options previously and had read Cordiers book, but the return just didn't make sense for the risk. I now essentially follow the method you have described in this forum and everything is making much more sense. My strikes are also essentially at around 0.03 delta.
I have essentially been trading Coffee and the aussie dollar. My first trade was selling CL puts but i don't think i could ever sell CL Calls. I have started to look for other markets to trade and was looking at maybe heating oil. My question is, from your experience, does heating oil essentially follow the movement of CL and is it prone to the sudden price swings that CL is?
The following user says Thank You to Bakes for this post:
You're welcome. Amazing to me how many traders from Australia here.
HO & RB options are very low volume. Hard to get positions sold. And harder to get out if market is going against you. I know from experience about that.
I'm looking at Oct HO & RB. There are only 2 bids for 1 contract each for strikes <0.1000 delta. And one bid is 0.0001.
I used to think that I would never sell CL calls. Then I realized that CL rarely took an extreme quick jumps up because of a random event. There have been Middle East wars and CL didn't get crazy on prices.
Crazy. I was wrong predicting there would be a build in oil inventories for today's report.
US oil imports were up. US oil production was up. Oil input to refineries was down. Yet inventories dropped???
But CL prices are dropping strongly now.
I had bought 75 CL 95 puts for the expected drop. When the inventory wasn't what I expected I held on and saw the small drop. When prices flattened out for 20 minutes from 11:20 to 11:40 I took my .03 profit.
Of course now I could have made 10 cents. Oh well.
I am not a good day trader. That's why I sell options.
I tried that a few times years ago and net I lost more offsetting with futures than if I just got out.
The problem with HO & RB is that I never had on enough options to be delta neutral with one offsetting future. So then if I put on a future I am basically playing futures with a little offset with the options. And that can whipsaw me around into more losses.
If you have on enough options to get delta neutral with futures, then it would work better. But in the commodities that I would have on that many options it usually isn't a problem getting out of the options.
The following 2 users say Thank You to ron99 for this post:
I knew there was a margin difference between OX and IB, however I didn't realise that the margin requirements were this dissimilar for selling naked options.
Relating news to selling options on futures:
CME Group Announces Launch of KC HRW Wheat Short-Dated New Crop Options
CHICAGO, July 30, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- CME Group, the world's leading and most diverse derivatives marketplace, today announced the launch of Short-Dated New Crop Options on KC Hard Red Winter (HRW) Wheat futures. Pending CFTC review, these new short-dated options will be available for trading on the Chicago trading floor and CME Globex on Monday, August 26, 2013. These products will be listed with and subject to the rules and regulations of the KCBT.
"Since acquiring KCBT last year, we've significantly developed the HRW wheat options complex through the introduction of innovative new products and the growth of standard options," said Tim Andriesen, Managing Director, Agricultural Commodities & Alternative Investments, CME Group. "These new short-dated options will provide market participants with a cost-effective tool to manage their price risk during targeted timeframes in the hard red winter wheat growing season. At the same time, average daily volume in our standard KC HRW Wheat options has increased by 30 percent since December 2012."
KC HRW Wheat Short-Dated New Crop Options are options on the July 2014 futures with earlier expiring contract months being listed -- December 2013, March 2014 and May 2014.
Since their introduction, Short-Dated New Crop Options on Corn and Soybean futures have traded more than 975,000 contracts, and reached a peak of more than 240,000 in combined open interest ahead of the July options expiry.
For more information on Short-Dated New Crop Options and other new options on KC HRW Wheat visit www.cmegroup.com/KCBT.
As the world's leading and most diverse derivatives marketplace, CME Group (www.cmegroup.com) is where the world comes to manage risk. CME Group exchanges offer the widest range of global benchmark products across all major asset classes, including futures and options based on interest rates, equity indexes, foreign exchange, energy, agricultural commodities, metals, weather and real estate. CME Group brings buyers and sellers together through its CME Globex(R) electronic trading platform and its trading facilities in New York and Chicago. CME Group also operates CME Clearing, one of the world's leading central counterparty clearing providers, which offers clearing and settlement services across asset classes for exchange-traded contracts and over-the-counter derivatives transactions. These products and services ensure that businesses everywhere can substantially mitigate counterparty credit risk.
CME Group is a trademark of CME Group Inc. The Globe Logo, CME, Globex and Chicago Mercantile Exchange are trademarks of Chicago Mercantile Exchange Inc. CBOT and the Chicago Board of Trade are trademarks of the Board of Trade of the City of Chicago, Inc. NYMEX, New York Mercantile Exchange and ClearPort are registered trademarks of New York Mercantile Exchange, Inc. COMEX is a trademark of Commodity Exchange, Inc. KCBOT, KCBT and Kansas City Board of Trade are trademarks of The Board of Trade of Kansas City, Missouri, Inc. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. Further information about CME Group (NASDAQ: CME) and its products can be found at www.cmegroup.com.