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U.S. House Votes to Allow Cable Providers to Throttle Internet

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It has seen the end of the net neutrality legislation, it will soon see the end of the Rebellion...

House Republicans have managed to pull off a high profile rejection of a key tech-related component of the Obama administration's initiatives. In control of the House for the first time in four years, Republicans have voted to overturn so-called "net neutrality" rules proposed earlier this year by the Obama administration.

The rules had previously been approved by the Democratic House, but were stalled in the Senate as Republicans awaited the prospect of regaining control of the House in the new year.

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Huh? What's new? Looks like government wants to control the flow of information.

Video's from wikiLeaks and so forth.

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So, what kind of internet service is available that isn't throttled? I am sure that my fiber optics u-verse is definantly throttled.

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So, what kind of internet service is available that isn't throttled? I am sure that my fiber optics u-verse is definantly throttled.

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No, we're not talking about a bandwidth cap on the whole line.

We're talking about Verizon deciding that YouTube should be slower than yahoo.com. Or that google.com should be slower than cnn.com. Or netflix, etc, etc etc. You can start to see the implications.

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No, we're not talking about a bandwidth cap on the whole line.


We're talking about Verizon deciding that YouTube should be slower than yahoo.com. Or that google.com should be slower than cnn.com. Or netflix, etc, etc etc. You can start to see the implications.

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Actually we're talking about having a multi tier internet fee. You want to go faster you pay more. I pay to use the toll roads and contra-flow lanes. It's optional. If I want to get around faster ... I pay. I pay for NT rather than use the free version so I don't give up any features. I paid to be an Elite member and it was worth it.

Everything in this country has always worked way ... except the internet. Which somehow developed a sense of entitlement to everything being available to everyone if not for free then equally shared by the kid playing online games and Amazon, EBay or NetFlix.

Some traders sit at home with a slower computer and send orders across the net at whatever speed is available. Others co-locate servers in Chicago.

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But I can't, as the end user, do anything about it.

I can't simply decide YouTube is important to me and I can't live with it being dead slow through my ISP (lets say Verizon). If Verizon decides to slow down YouTube, as a consumer I have no recourse. Verizon is the only company that services my neighborhood with high speed internet. I can't call Verizon and say, hey I am willing to pay $20 extra a month if you don't limit YouTube.

Yes, some companies like Netflix may pay billions to Verizon to make sure they don't get throttled, effectively killing their entire company. But what about other websites that can't afford to pay whatever price Verizon is asking?

I don't mean to pick on Verizon. It's just a random ISP in this post.

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I can't call Verizon and say, hey I am willing to pay $20 extra a month if you don't limit YouTube.


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Don't worry they will call you and ask if you want to "take advantage " of their new program to get the same speed you used to get for free for twice the price...and signing a two year contract...

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I would not say anybody gets their speed for free. We pay for what we get. If they bump up the speed, usually due to competition or to attract more customers, we are still paying for that speed. If cable wants to offer slower speeds then leave mine where it is and offer reduced prices for slower. The problem is they would rather give you limits and then charge more to receive your prior service. That is just not right.

There were some problems with the Net Neutrality proposal but I think my Republicans dropped the ball on this one. I hope they rewrite it and try again.

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I would not say anybody gets their speed for free. We pay for what we get. If they bump up the speed, usually due to competition or to attract more customers, we are still paying for that speed. If cable wants to offer slower speeds then leave mine where it is and offer reduced prices for slower. The problem is they would rather give you limits and then charge more to receive your prior service. That is just not right.

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Yes, but Danny you are talking about a tiered consumer-level package, right? Package A = this fast for this dollar amount. Package B = faster, for this dollar amount, and so on.

What I am talking about is even if you have the fastest package your ISP offers, your ISP is still throttling Netflix or YouTube. Maybe they signed a deal with Amazon, and Amazon is paying them more money than Netflix --- so Amazon now has faster speed than Netflix to your home.

In technical terms:
Your home pipe is 6.0Mbps. You are paying for this.

You visit Netflix, and you can never get more than 2.0Mbps. Your ISP is throttling it, there is nothing you can do.

You visit Amazon and you get 6.0Mbps. This is because your ISP is friends with Amazon.

That is the danger. Yes, we all get what we pay for. But in this case, you/I/we paid for the most expensive package our ISP offered, yet we are getting slower service through Netflix because our ISP doesn't like them as much as they like Amazon.

Sure, you can switch ISP's. But what if you can't? There are many, many areas where only one ISP is available. You'd be boycotting the entire internet just to boycott the throttling by your ISP.

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Yes, but Danny you are talking about a tiered consumer-level package, right? Package A = this fast for this dollar amount. Package B = faster, for this dollar amount, and so on.

What I am talking about is even if you have the fastest package your ISP offers, your ISP is still throttling Netflix or YouTube. Maybe they signed a deal with Amazon, and Amazon is paying them more money than Netflix --- so Amazon now has faster speed than Netflix to your home.

In technical terms:
Your home pipe is 6.0Mbps. You are paying for this.

You visit Netflix, and you can never get more than 2.0Mbps. Your ISP is throttling it, there is nothing you can do.

You visit Amazon and you get 6.0Mbps. This is because your ISP is friends with Amazon.

That is the danger. Yes, we all get what we pay for. But in this case, you/I/we paid for the most expensive package our ISP offered, yet we are getting slower service through Netflix because our ISP doesn't like them as much as they like Amazon.

Sure, you can switch ISP's. But what if you can't? There are many, many areas where only one ISP is available. You'd be boycotting the entire internet just to boycott the throttling by your ISP.

Mike


There are options ... it's just a matter of how much you can afford to spend. It ain't right ... but that is the way it is.

Health insurance coverage is not an issue if you have enough money...

Your child can go to any university in this country ... depending how generous of a "gift" daddy makes to the university...

Murder someone... not a problem as long as you can hire a dream team...


All of this is nothing new.. but it is particularly irksome when you realize the whole internet question came down to how much the cable companies paid to members of congress....

But then again ... they learned that from the insurance companies... so there ya go

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