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I have been suffering with back pain mainly because of my sitting in front of the computer for long hours.
I already tried several chairs but none of them seem to help.
My doc told me that I need a chair with lumbar support. I was looking into Aeron chairs but they are very expensive.
Lumbar cushion looks interesting. Here is the link for cushion
Amazon.com: Lumbar Cushion - Sand color, this lumbar support office chair back cushion helps the lumbar and sacral region of the spinal column. This Lumbar support helps to keep a good posture while sitting and also prevent to any kind of spinal colu

I would appreciate any recommendations.

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I have used all manner of chairs. They all hurt my back. One of them was pretty expensive to. Another one cut the blood flow from my legs and my legs would just kill me after work.

SO after many hundreds of dollars searching for a good cheap chair, I settled on this:

Ergonomic Chairs - Freedom Task Chair with Headrest | Humanscale

Its pricey and I have the one in the picture with the headrest and everything....I paid $1200 for it but you can find them less if you look around.

The result: I can sit for hours and nothing hurts. I mean it. Nothing hurts. This chair is amazing....I am NOT a paid endorser. In fact, I tried to find it at Amazon so if you bought it through my link, I would get paid. No dice, they dont have it. But I believe in this chair enough to recommend it without getting paid for it.

I have been using this chair 8-10 hours a day for 5 years. I bought the micro fiber fabric because the leather was to much money. No tears, no rips. I had to fix a screw that fell out a couple of times but that was no big deal.

Take it from me, if you spend hours in front of the screen, spend the money and get a good chair.

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I have an Aeron chair, and it is nice, but I would not buy a new one, as they are just too expensive, and you are paying for the name. I found mine on craigs, so did not have to give up an arm. The real key though is to go try them out, preferably for more than 10 min, especially if you are addressing a personal comfort issue. The Aeron chairs have multiple sizes as well, so make sure it fits you. If you find a chair that works for you, then price is a non issue, as you are spending a great deal of time in that chair.

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Thanks for the reply aztrader9. The link you posted takes me to Products & Services page of Humanscale website.
Could you please re-post the correct link for the recommended chair.
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Thanks for the reply aztrader9. The link you posted takes me to Products & Services page of Humanscale website.
Could you please re-post the correct link for the recommended chair.
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Ergonomic Chairs - Freedom Task Chair with Headrest | Humanscale

Or Humanscale | Ergonomic Seating - High-Performance Task Chairs and click on the Freedom Chair pic.

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I should add this chair has very simple adjustments. It simply moves with your body. Its built like a truck and one thing I found odd was this. The cushion is really thin. But its some kind of high density padding that never seems to compress. I have owned chairs with real thick padding and they killed me. For some reason, this thin padding on both the seating surface and the back support just does the job.

fwiw, I bought it without ever having sat in one on the recommendation of a friend.

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Try standing every once in a while. I stand up every 30 to 45 minutes or so. Its amazing how I see price action more clearer while standing back from my screens. And besides no chair is going to help the restriction of blood flow to the brain after sitting in it for hours.

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I'm not sure the secret is to change chair and buy expensive chairs.

I'm pretty certain our grandparents didn't have expensive chairs but had less back problems than we do. Of course, they didn't spend all day in front of a computer but still...

You should try to take a look at how the body is actually designed to work, and maybe learn to sit well, instead of buying expensive stuff to compensate for a bad body position. Then all you'll need is a 20 USD basic chair.

Here is my advice : read this book Amazon.com: 8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back: Natural Posture Solutions for Pain in the Back, Neck, Shoulder, Hip, Knee, and Foot (Remember When It Didn't Hurt) (9780979303609): Esther Gokhale, Susan Adams: Books

There's an associated web site :Lower Back Pain | Esther Gokhale Wellness Center

Not very expensive, and it might completely change the way you sit, stand, and bend.

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Try standing every once in a while. I stand up every 30 to 45 minutes or so. Its amazing how I see price action more clearer while standing back from my screens. And besides no chair is going to help the restriction of blood flow to the brain after sitting in it for hours.

I have an indicator, that every hour, tells me to get up. You should get up regularly, walk around for a couple of minutes to stimulate the circulation in your legs, and to also give you eyes a break. Sitting for very long periods can create blood clots in the legs (Deep Vein Thrombosis) due to lack of adequate blood circulation, especially as you get older. These clots can break free and travel to the heart and lungs and cause fatal trauma. I generally take 3 minute breaks, stand up, walk about, get a drink, do a nature call, and also do some eye relaxation exercises in the process.

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I'm not sure the secret is to change chair and buy expensive chairs.

I'm pretty certain our grandparents didn't have expensive chairs but had less back problems than we do. Of course, they didn't spend all day in front of a computer but still...

You should try to take a look at how the body is actually designed to work, and maybe learn to sit well, instead of buying expensive stuff to compensate for a bad body position. Then all you'll need is a 20 USD basic chair.

Here is my advice : read this book Amazon.com: 8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back: Natural Posture Solutions for Pain in the Back, Neck, Shoulder, Hip, Knee, and Foot (Remember When It Didn't Hurt) (9780979303609): Esther Gokhale, Susan Adams: Books

There's an associated web site :Lower Back Pain | Esther Gokhale Wellness Center

Not very expensive, and it might completely change the way you sit, stand, and bend.

I actually agree with this, but at the same time, the best chairs will help you sit better. The freedom chair does not have any fixed parts. This means as you move, the chair moves. In order to use it properly, you need to sit in it properly. The posture things Gomi mentioned are reinforced in this chair. You can of course abuse it and I do but the beauty of it is you know when you are are. The chair feels uncomfortable when you dont sit right.

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One chair I'd like to try is the saddle type chair, that helps your blood flow in your legs, but I think your desk must be slightly higher desk because your legs are not 90°

example : hag capisco chair,

cool thing is you can turn it all around to constantly change position

vid : YouTube - www.ergonomie-katalog.com: Capisco Sattelstuhl Bürostuhl

Moreover, the back of the chair is straight and won't make your own back slouch

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+1 on the Aeron, and agree it is stupid money. But your chair is your office...

Aeron Chairs - Products - Herman Miller

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.... But your chair is your office...

Mine certainly is. My cardiologist told me to keep my feet propped up. I sit in a leather recliner with a roll away computer stand I made and type with an ENERMAX wireless key board with built in trackball and a built in wheel mouse , both of which I can operate with my thumbs while holding the keyboard like a game controller. I absolutely love it. Not only has my trading improved but the swelling in my legs went away, the back aches disappeared and I feel great all day.

No... that's not me in the picture.... that's my girlfriend... Ok... I'm a lonely guy... what can I say...

I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.

My daddy always said, "Every day above ground is a good day!"
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Mine certainly is. My cardiologist told me to keep my feet propped up. I sit in a leather recliner with a roll away computer stand I made and type with an ENERMAX wireless key board with built in trackball and a built in wheel mouse , both of which I can operate with my thumbs while holding the keyboard like a game controller. I absolutely love it. Not only has my trading improved but the swelling in my legs went away, the back aches disappeared and I feel great all day.

No... that's not me in the picture.... that's my girlfriend... Ok... I'm a lonely guy... what can I say...

You are in the reclined position while you are at the desk? I would soooo fall asleep every 20 minutes flat! How do you stay awake?

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One chair I'd like to try is the saddle type chair, that helps your blood flow in your legs, but I think your desk must be slightly higher desk because your legs are not 90°

I had one of these once. I don't remember desk interference being a problem. Very comfortable. You can sit in it backwards too and use the support wings to rest your elbows. I did have someone ask if it brought out my feminine side. Uh, no.

Too bad some low-life stole it from my office *sigh*. Probably the same person that made the comment.

Here is another candidate:

https://www.thehealthchair.com/jmep.html

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You are in the reclined position while you are at the desk? I would soooo fall asleep every 20 minutes flat! How do you stay awake?

Sorry it took so long to answer... I fell asleep...

I sit up right I just have the foot rest up . The overstuffed recliner provides support but with all the padding is really comfortable.

You are probably thinking of this guy... Reclining computer desk goodness (56K be ye warned) - [H]ard|Forum

I'm just a simple man trading a simple plan.

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Thanks guys for all the advise.
I am definitely going to read 8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back .
Monpere it is scary that sitting for long hours can cause Deep vein thrombosis. I am taking it seriously.

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I have an Aeron chair, yes they are expensive but they are great if you are sitting in them all day and you like your spine. I would buy one again.

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The Aeron is a great chair. I ended up go for a Mirra because I found a good deal on one (eBay). Never thought I would pay several hundred for a chair, but I have to say, it was one of the best purchases I've made.

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I have had 2 compression fractures in my back and this chair makes sitting all day comfortable. I have tried a bunch but this is the best (for me).

SwingChair by SmartMotion Technology

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In the past I have used an exercise ball as a chair. They are cheap and for me it worked to eliminate the minor back discomfort I had. I have read that any type of chair that allows your body to sit slackly in one place without using your back muscles to support yourself will eventually cause problems because of cutting off blood circulation to the spine and degeneration of your back muscles.

Recently I raised my desk up to a standing position and I have a treadmill set up under it so I can slowly walk and type at the same time. I do have a stool I can sit on if I get tired of treading, so I'm back to sitting part of the day. I might order one of those exercize ball-chairs to sit on instead if I find myself doing too much sitting.

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Recently I raised my desk up to a standing position and I have a treadmill set up under it so I can slowly walk and type at the same time. I do have a stool I can sit on if I get tired of treading, so I'm back to sitting part of the day.

Have you thought of fitting a toilet sit under your desk, I heard it improves the blood flow to your brain and eyeballs. lol

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Have you thought of fitting a toilet sit under your desk, I heard it improves the blood flow to your brain and eyeballs. lol

I tried that but the treadmill got in the way of the plumbing.

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Have you thought of fitting a toilet sit under your desk, I heard it improves the blood flow to your brain and eyeballs. lol

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Obviously, a fellow trader.

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the chair ain't the most important thing, the way its setup in combination with your desk is very important.

1. ajust your chair until its comfy, your feet need to be flat on the ground and a little space between your knees and the chair.

2. adjust the armrests in that way that your shoulders are in the same position as you're standing

3. if you have a weight adjustment, adjust it in that way that your body doesn't has the press the back in to the chair to get it in the right postition.

4. set your desk on the hight of the armrests, as the desk is nothing more than a extender of your armrests.

5. if you have a dynamic setting on the chair, set it to dynamic. your body gets a bit more movement and thats what helps to minimize backproblems.

i hope the English is correct, if not please tell.

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monpere,
seems like a nice setup. The only missing bit is "the FAN". lol

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Well, in the last 3 weeks I went to office max and purchased and returned 3 office chairs. My back is having problems sitting in front of the screens for 10 hours a day. A friend mentioned a chair called the Herman Miller Embody and I checked it out....I live in west michigan where these are MfG and so it was not hard to find a specialty furniture store that carriers them. I looked at the price tag and my jaw dropped off my face but when I sat in it the first time I was sold...simply the most comfortable chair I ever sat on. If you are in the market for a chair that you can sit 10 hours a day in a feel great when done then check this out. Here is a review.

Herman Miller Embody Review: The Best Chair We've Ever Sat On

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I have been watching Craigslist for local sellers of their used Aeron chair. Patience was the key, (sounds familiar), a local guy is selling 40 of these chairs, 2006 Aeron model for $175.00 each in the Baltimore - DC area....email Mel ...the chairs are awesome, fully adjustable, lumbar support and comfortable! These used chairs have been selling in the area for $375 - $600.00.

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Old thread, but Im gonna reply anyway...

I sat in the Aeron and I didn't find it that good - not much support for thoraic spine, no headrest, makes you bend shoulders forward... + high price. My impression of Aeron was always that you pay for the looks (which I don't find extraordinary either).

I recently bought a Therapia chair (https://www.therapia.cz/cz/kancelarske-zidle/therapia-body_15).Unfortunately, the delivery is limited to Europe. It's most likely the only chair that does not make your shoulders bend forward, instead the chair reinforces the habit of having your shoulders back and down where they should be. Having the experience that I have now I would not buy a chair that makes you bend, but that's subject to personal taste I guess.

Gomi referenced the Gokhale method. When I first read it, I incorporated some important messages from it into my everyday life, but I would say it's incomplete. I personally found "The Foundation" more of a "whole package", plus with the online video guide for 24.99 you get to learn all the exercises in no time.

Lastly, I gained some benefits from walking the "right way" (who will ever know what the really right way is, right?), you can find it on youtube. Basically, twist the meeting point of the lumbar and thoraic spine by actively using the hip into each step (see e.g. Chi Running ). Stretches the back and makes your core and glutes work without you having to think about it.

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This was the post from @gomi that inspired me to read the book Amazon.com: 8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back: Natural Posture Solutions for Pain in the Back, Neck, Shoulder, Hip, Knee, and Foot (Remember When It Didn't Hurt) (9780979303609): Esther Gokhale, Susan Adams: Books



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I'm not sure the secret is to change chair and buy expensive chairs.

I'm pretty certain our grandparents didn't have expensive chairs but had less back problems than we do. Of course, they didn't spend all day in front of a computer but still...

You should try to take a look at how the body is actually designed to work, and maybe learn to sit well, instead of buying expensive stuff to compensate for a bad body position. Then all you'll need is a 20 USD basic chair.

Here is my advice : read this book Amazon.com: 8 Steps to a Pain-Free Back: Natural Posture Solutions for Pain in the Back, Neck, Shoulder, Hip, Knee, and Foot (Remember When It Didn't Hurt) (9780979303609): Esther Gokhale, Susan Adams: Books

There's an associated web site :Lower Back Pain | Esther Gokhale Wellness Center

Not very expensive, and it might completely change the way you sit, stand, and bend.


The book literally saved my life.

The great thing is you 'learn' to sit, sleep, stand, walk and all of these activities are therapeutic. Exercise cannot get much better than this!


Learning to "stretchsit" is the single best benefit I gained and that paid for itself.

Next time I am in the Bay Area I am sure to pay Esther Gokhale a visit.

Funny how everyday things and wisdom rooted from India (love the country) sprout and prosper in USA (love the country) and folks like me then relearn everything that we are used to daily observing our parents and grandparents following without reading any of it.

Thanks @gomi !

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I wanted to revive this thread.

My back is really in bad shape lately, and I am looking to replace my chair. I've probably spent $1000 on office chairs in the last 10 years, so this time I am considering buying a Herman Miller Aeron, at approximately $1,000 by itself.

How much cushion do they provide (I am a large guy...)?

I tend to "lean forward" a bit when working at my desk, it means my back does not touch the back of my chair much like it should. How will this work in the Aeron?

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I wanted to revive this thread.

My back is really in bad shape lately, and I am looking to replace my chair. I've probably spent $1000 on office chairs in the last 10 years, so this time I am considering buying a Herman Miller Aeron, at approximately $1,000 by itself.

How much cushion do they provide (I am a large guy...)?

I tend to "lean forward" a bit when working at my desk, it means my back does not touch the back of my chair much like it should. How will this work in the Aeron?

Mike

Ditto. I was unable to even walk for a day and a half a few weeks ago. Still going through back therapy.

I saw a chair once years ago where you don't sit, you kneel, but never tried one

https://www.bizchair.com/wl-3520-gg.html?utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&utm_medium=Comparison&utm_source=google.com


...but am interested in the exact same issue right now.

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Well, in the last 3 weeks I went to office max and purchased and returned 3 office chairs. My back is having problems sitting in front of the screens for 10 hours a day. A friend mentioned a chair called the Herman Miller Embody and I checked it out....I live in west michigan where these are MfG and so it was not hard to find a specialty furniture store that carriers them. I looked at the price tag and my jaw dropped off my face but when I sat in it the first time I was sold...simply the most comfortable chair I ever sat on. If you are in the market for a chair that you can sit 10 hours a day in a feel great when done then check this out. Here is a review.

Herman Miller Embody Review: The Best Chair We've Ever Sat On


I have used Herman Miller for years, still do, But may back has recently gone spastic and I am looking for some new solution.

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I don't have back problems myself thank goodness so I can't recommend from personal experience but I purchased a moldable lumbar support insert that goes in a pickup seat for one of our employees with back trouble a couple years ago at the relax the back store. They seemed very knowledgeable and they had a lot of different chairs there.

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Yes I was trying to decide between the Embody and the Aeron, but I read that the Embody is not good for those of us who lean forward at their desk (like me).

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I wanted to revive this thread.

My back is really in bad shape lately, and I am looking to replace my chair. I've probably spent $1000 on office chairs in the last 10 years, so this time I am considering buying a Herman Miller Aeron, at approximately $1,000 by itself.

How much cushion do they provide (I am a large guy...)?

I tend to "lean forward" a bit when working at my desk, it means my back does not touch the back of my chair much like it should. How will this work in the Aeron?

Mike

@Big Mike I just recently bought a Herman Miller Aeron after going through 3 different office chairs. So far so good, it's extremely comfortable for sitting long periods. The Aeron is very supportive...but I wouldn't say it's got much cushion, more ergonomic imo. I can't comment on leaning forward 'cause I mostly lean back. If you shop around...ebay etc, you can find them for considerably less than $1,000 even loaded out with all the options. One thing for sure, I never thought a chair would be so important to trading.

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I've had back problems for years and finally invested in a decent chair. Two years of use and happy I did.

Ergohuman V2 Chair V200HRBLK - High Back with Black Frame and Mesh - Ergohuman

The Ergohuman is worth considering.

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After spending more than $2000 on various chairs over the years, I finally broke down and bought this Amazon.com: Freedom Chair by Humanscale - Headrest - Advanced Duron Arms - Graphite Frame - Gel seat - Blue Wave: Home & Kitchen about 7 years ago. This one is the updated model from what I have but i paid about the same. All the bits move and adjust to your actual frame, there is no tilt control as the chair moves with you, there is only height control.

The front is a waterfall edge meaning the chair doesn't cut the blood flow from your feet. This made an incredible difference to how my legs and feet felt after all day in the chair. I've always had back issues and this chair really helped with this. In fact, its the only chair I've been able to sit in all day and not feel like total crap.

I would suggest the one with the head rest, again, its the only head rest I've ever had that worked for me.

Check out the various fabric choices: I chose the micro fabric option. Seven years later with near constant use, no discernable wearing has occurred.

I'm six foot and this chair will expand vertically to accommodate someone probably 6' 6"

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I wanted to revive this thread.

My back is really in bad shape lately, and I am looking to replace my chair. I've probably spent $1000 on office chairs in the last 10 years, so this time I am considering buying a Herman Miller Aeron, at approximately $1,000 by itself.

How much cushion do they provide (I am a large guy...)?

I tend to "lean forward" a bit when working at my desk, it means my back does not touch the back of my chair much like it should. How will this work in the Aeron?

Mike

Any chair with decent back support is good enough if you manage to do some back extension exercises 2-3 times a week. I had a similar problem which went away with regular exercising.

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Posted this elsewhere but the Aeron is really comfy if you are average-sized and after trying 2-3 cheap substitutes, we gave up and ordered 20 of them for our office.


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Any chair with decent back support is good enough if you manage to do some back extension exercises 2-3 times a week. I had a similar problem which went away with regular exercising.

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Couldn't disagree more. That is such a blanket statement.

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After doing more research I am leaning towards the Herman Miller Embody. It looks funky but I can get over that.

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Of course there are so many tempting choices...
Depending on weight, body size and working habits there is quite a big choice ;-)
Have here a special chair for head working VIP's:
ErgoPoint Zürich - ergonomische Stühle, Sitzhilfen und Hocker für Büro, Praxis, Heimarbeitsplatz, Sitzungszimmer, Freizeit, Arbeitsstühle
I would suggest to make trials of 3 days to evaluate the right "backing tool".

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beneficial to stand and move around during typical trading hours. I built a stand up desk and enjoy that, but it did take some time to adjust. However, for extended periods of focused screen work (typing as opposed to staring) that you may do @ Big Mike standing all day is not practical.

I do not rest my butt in one now, but the Herman Miller Aeron is far and away the best office chair that I have ever used. I do believe somewhat of an industry standard. I am a large man as well and I will say that sometimes the Aeron did put a little pressure on my outer thighs just above the knees. That might be because I sit way back in the seat and tend to have my knees open. It does not sound like you sit with that posture.

I do believe that the $1,000 investment into a prime ergo chair to be well worth it.

I might add that the Aeron was extremely durable and survived without muct detriment a great deal of non-typical shenanigans. Other chairs just crumbled under the same pressure.

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I suggest you visit a store with the chairs in the showroom so you can try and see how each one works for you. Any Herman Miller dealer will have a good selection. I test drove the various models and ended up buying the Mirra.

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I am diagnosed with slipped disc and it is really painful when I start having pain.
After going thru hell suffering with back pain I bought Steelcase Amia from Smart Furniture Onlne about 9 months ago. I haven't had any back problems since then.
My back always felt good and my pain used to subside whenever I sat in my Ford Fusion. I found out that they use Steelcase chairs in their Offices as well as cars. That is how I decided to buy a Steelcase chair.
Here is the link to SteelCase chair
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I have had a lot of experience with back pain. I've gone through periods where it was a struggle to walk even with a cane and taking pain pills.

I rarely have back trouble now and I can tell you how I solved my back problems.

1. Weak abdominal muscles put extra stress on your back and can be a major contributing factor to back pain.

My solution is to do 20 repetitions (going all the way out) with an AB Wheel ($10 at Sports Authority) 3-4 times a week. Warning, start with a few reps and build up gradually. If you do too many to start with, you will have extremely sore stomach muscles.

2. Don't get dehydrated. It throws your body's electrolyte off and makes your muscles spasm more easily. Drink plenty of fluids (mostly water). If you do get dehydrated, sports drinks like Gaterade are not a good solution, too much sugar and to little K. I use a drink called Recharge, it is made from diluted fruit juices and has 1/2 the calories of Gaterade with twice the K. You don't need an electrolyte replacement if you don't let yourself get dehydrated.

3. I stretch my back frequently, it only takes a few minutes. I use 2 exercises. One is similar to a yoga position called The Cat (get on your hands and knees, hump your back, invert the hump, slide your hands forward and put your head down and your butt up, do it slowly and stretch fully). The second I call The Backover. It is best to do this on a thick rug or thin exercise mat (a bed mattress is too soft), if you try to do it on a bare floor, you could hurt your spine. I lay flat on my back with arms at my side, bring my knees up into my chest grab them with my arms and hold that position for a few seconds, then let go of my knees and continue rolling my legs up over my head and let my feet touch the floor, I put my arms straight up over my head and touch my knees to the floor. That puts my spine into a tight curl and really stretches it. I then put my arms by my side and bring my knees back to my chest and rock back and forth on my back a few times. I do this exercise very slowly and hold each position for a few seconds. It really helps keep my back aligned. If you are not flexible enough to do the full exercise, keep at it, eventually you will get there. Both of these exercises make your back feel really good if you do them regularly.

4. Don't sit for extended periods, it is very bad for your health. Most people don't know this but about 30 people a year die on long plane flights due to Pulmonary Embolisms. When you sit for extended periods without moving your legs, blood clots can form and if they travel up to your lungs they can prevent you from breathing and result in death. Try to get up at least once an hour and walk around for a couple of minutes. I like to go up and down a flight of stairs quickly to really get the blood flowing. Older people are more susceptible to blood clots but there are 20 and 30 year olds in the 30 per year who die on long plane fights.

5. I also made major dietary changes but since most are unwilling to do that, I won't bother with any details.

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I am diagnosed with slipped disc and it is really painful when I start having pain.
After going thru hell suffering with back pain I bought Steelcase Amia from Smart Furniture Onlne about 9 months ago. I haven't had any back problems since then.
My back always felt good and my pain used to subside whenever I sat in my Ford Fusion. I found out that they use Steelcase chairs in their Offices as well as cars. That is how I decided to buy a Steelcase chair.
Here is the link to SteelCase chair
The Fully-Customizable Steelcase Amia Chair by Smart Furniture

Steelcase makes excellent chairs. I had a lot of neck and back problems from sitting all day so got a steelcase leap. $800 chair but best money I have ever spent as my pain after years is gone. I also have a geekdesk with motor that can turn into standup desk. But the Steelcase is so good I don't need to standup at least from a pain perspective.

Let me also say I tried many different chairs up to about a $200 price tag and none of them worked. Honestly, I think if have back and neck problems you will have to spend some money to get right chair. A cheaper chair may look the same but it is not. You will either spend money on good chair or will pay the Dr. when you end up in chronic pain. The $800 chair is cheaper in the end much cheaper.

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I am diagnosed with slipped disc and it is really painful when I start having pain.

Thanks, I also have a slipped disc and some nerve damage that can be almost unbearable at times. Glad you are doing better, it gives me hope

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I looked at the Steelcase Leap and it looks pretty nice:

The Leap Chair by Steelcase | SmartFurniture.com

But when you compare it to the Embody:

The Embody Chair by Herman Miller | SmartFurniture.com

The reviews seem to lean towards the Embody.

Leap - left, Embody - right:



Comfort, Quality and Performance are more important to me than design, style and environmental. And in each of those, the Embody received higher marks overall.

I also found that this site (Smart Furniture) has a 1-year return policy. If you return within 30 days, they even pay return freight. So worst case I could try them both if the one I pick originally is not up to par.

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Couldn't disagree more. That is such a blanket statement.

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I wanted to come back to my post. I was on my phone and busy and couldn't elaborate.

What I meant to write in more detail was that telling someone that any decent chair will work if they do some exercise and stretching is kind of like a slap in the face, to me anyway. I have chronic back pain and a slipped disc, and exercise and stretching are a prerequisite. They are not solutions to the problem.

My current chair exacerbates my pain so that was my clue I need to change it. My current chair is definitely a "decent chair", I would say it is in fact towards a high quality chair. But it is simply not ergonomic enough for my situation, which is why I was looking at specialized alternatives.

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On Smart Furniture's website they have an option to "submit an offer". Which I did. And they accepted. So, I have just purchased the Embody chair and what I felt like was an excellent price and is a risk-free trade

I'll update once it arrives.

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Apologies if I have missed it here, and hopefully not off-topic, but one good solution - even if you have a good chair already - is to spend some time standing up while trading. There are desks designed for this with hydraulic/electric lifts. And some folks even walk on a low speed treadmill while trading.

I have a DIY shelf that I put on my desk for my keyboard and mouse while I stand awhile. My chair is a good Ikea heavy duty one but still gives me back pain if I don't sit up straight!

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Due to my disc problem, standing in a stationary position is about the worst pain of all.

For others I think it is a great idea.

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Antibiotics May Relieve Back Pain Symptoms

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The author is actually not pro antibiotic use for back pain and gives many suggestions to reduce and eliminate back pain.

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I looked at the Steelcase Leap and it looks pretty nice:

The Leap Chair by Steelcase | SmartFurniture.com

But when you compare it to the Embody:

The Embody Chair by Herman Miller | SmartFurniture.com

The reviews seem to lean towards the Embody.

Leap - left, Embody - right:

Comfort, Quality and Performance are more important to me than design, style and environmental. And in each of those, the Embody received higher marks overall.

I also found that this site (Smart Furniture) has a 1-year return policy. If you return within 30 days, they even pay return freight. So worst case I could try them both if the one I pick originally is not up to par.

Mike

@Big Mike Looks like a very nice chair. We have the luxury of having thehumansolution.com offices in Austin. They have a showroom so I went and tried most of the higher end ergo chairs and settled on the Leap. That being said I think it is a very personal choice and will be different for each person. Once go high end they all are built well. Hope that chair helps your back issues. It is miserable to have sitting problems and have to sit all day. When I had my neck and back issues I dreaded having to sit felt like it was slowly killing me. The key will be getting all your adjustments correct. Nice thing about these chairs is you can tune it in just right. Don't be surprised if takes a few months to get it just like you want it.

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Hi Guys,


I woul hope see this post earlier. I had the same problem with my back and bought this.

I saw you need a feedback and I tell you, this kind of chaits are the best por your back. You are sit down in a perfect straight way. I've been using it for almost 5 months and the only small problem is your knees support all your weight, so you and need a relax every 2 or 3 hours and its good to have a normal chair to change some times if you need writing down for long time.

Like they are saying, its not good for your body to stay in the same position all day and you need to relax and change your way to sit down.

Ah, the price: 200€ . Its so cheap comparing with this ergonomic expensive chairs.

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Hi Guys,


I woul hope see this post earlier. I had the same problem with my back and bought this. Attachment 113702

I saw you need a feedback and I tell you, this kind of chaits are the best por your back. You are sit down in a perfect straight way. I've been using it for almost 5 months and the only small problem is your knees support all your weight, so you and need a relax every 2 or 3 hours and its good to have a normal chair to change some times if you need writing down for long time.

Like they are saying, its not good for your body to stay in the same position all day and you need to relax and change your way to sit down.

Ah, the price: 200€ . Its so cheap comparing with this ergonomic expensive chairs.

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Looks more like a device for torture

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Looks more like a device for torture

😁 Yeah,

A bit of weird, but do its purpose. When friends come to home I change to the other normal chair 😅 hehe

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I received my new Herman Miller Embody chair today, delivered via a freight truck.

First impression - it looks much nicer than I was expecting. From the online pics, I was thinking it might be truly hideous but really it is not.

Second impression - it is smaller than I was thinking. Particularly the back.

I have not even sat in it yet. I will update after I use it for a while. So far I can confirm that my cat loves it, I'll have to get him out to make room for me.

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OK first impression after sitting in it and tweaking the dials for a minute --- "wow". If it continues to feel this good after sitting in it for many hours, this will be a huge win for me.

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If that doesn't work for you ... try standing. Raise the desk and move the monitors to different heights so that your neck and back are also moving. Works for me .. and burns a few extra calories while I am at it !!

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If that doesn't work for you ... try standing. Raise the desk and move the monitors to different heights so that your neck and back are also moving. Works for me .. and burns a few extra calories while I am at it !!

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That would be impossible for me, I believe I mentioned why already in the thread. Standing for any length of time in a stationary place is the greatest pain of all.

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So .. what's the update ?

Still comfy and in particular does it suit your specific back ?

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So .. what's the update ?

Still comfy and in particular does it suit your specific back ?

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I am taking my time before reaching a decision. They allow returns up to 1 year later.

I can say that the chair is definitely more comfortable than my old one. There is essentially no real padding on the seat, whereas my old chair had a lot. But this is also where my old chair caused the most pain. The new chair still has some pain in this area, but I guess I can't expect a chair to solve all my physical body problems.

Long story short, it's absolutely a huge improvement. I still am uncertain though if there is not a better chair for my particular circumstances, so perhaps when I have more time I will continue my search.

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ok so I have a Herman Miller Aeron, and I just absolutely love it!...but, for no reason at all other than 'it looks cool,' I want the new Herman Miller Mirra 2 that should be available anytime now. Can anybody give me some feedback on what your experience is with the Mirra 1 compared to the Aeron?

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@Big Mike .... how is the Herman Miller Embody chair holding up..... I am seriously in the market !!

I'm tired of rotating two chairs and a stool throughout the day!!


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@Big Mike .... how is the Herman Miller Embody chair holding up..... I am seriously in the market !!

I'm tired of rotating two chairs and a stool throughout the day!!

I like it very much. There is only a single negative (not really) thing I can think of, and that is if you prefer to sit with your legs crossed, so that one foot is under your knee or thigh, that isn't going to work in this chair very well. Not surprising, because that would be very bad posture anyway

So this chair has broken me of that bad habit and is doing quite well otherwise.

I bought the chair at the same time I bought a new set of air mattresses (Comfort Aire, or Sleep Comfort). I cannot therefore say 100% which has helped more, but I am 90% sure the new mattresses have helped my back more than the chair has. I previously owned a good high quality traditional spring mattress, but the air has made all the difference. Not to stray too far off-topic in this thread, I will just say air mattresses do have some major drawbacks so do your homework. For me I was willing to accept the drawbacks in order to have my back feel better.

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Couple of comments. I have a really uncomfortable chair. Which may be a good thing.

I hurt my back building the house. Herniated disk or something. Nearly incapacitated me with pain. I was told to walk it out. So over the next year I walked and walked and walked. I walked so much that I got to know every street (and people, too) within a five km radius. Gradually the back pain eased, and now, years later, it's pretty much gone.

Put some good podcasts in the player and some good shoes.

Another thing. Sitting around all day is the worst possible thing for bone density. Well, maybe lying around is worse. This is the one of the primary benefits of a standing desk -- improve bone density. Bone density becomes a critical health indicator the once you get over 40, and especially over 50, as bone loss accelerates.

Why care about bone density? Other than the fact that it is a prime factor in mortality for those over 50? Well, another thing is that there is a connection between bone density and brain health. Brain function and bone density are directly linked.

So, you can actually help improve cognitive impairment with aging by working on bone density -- standing, walking and, especially, weight lifting. Ergo weight lifting may be have brain health effects than Lumosity.

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@Big Mike, earlier you posted something about how the Embody may not work well for those who lean forward while working, would you say this is the case, and after long term use, would you still recommend it and say it's worth the investment?

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@Big Mike, earlier you posted something about how the Embody may not work well for those who lean forward while working, would you say this is the case, and after long term use, would you still recommend it and say it's worth the investment?

I can't recommend the chair, I end up leaning forward still and it is not comfortable in that position.

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I can't recommend the chair, I end up leaning forward still and it is not comfortable in that position.

Mike

Thanks for sharing, but that's unfortunate to hear, because I do the same often to read small text on the screens. I went to a design store and sat in all the Herman Miller and other comparable task chairs and the Embody fit me best by far. I'm thinking I will still go with it.

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Couple of comments. I have a really uncomfortable chair. Which may be a good thing.

I hurt my back building the house. Herniated disk or something. Nearly incapacitated me with pain. I was told to walk it out. So over the next year I walked and walked and walked. I walked so much that I got to know every street (and people, too) within a five km radius. Gradually the back pain eased, and now, years later, it's pretty much gone.

Put some good podcasts in the player and some good shoes.

Another thing. Sitting around all day is the worst possible thing for bone density. Well, maybe lying around is worse. This is the one of the primary benefits of a standing desk -- improve bone density. Bone density becomes a critical health indicator the once you get over 40, and especially over 50, as bone loss accelerates.

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So, you can actually help improve cognitive impairment with aging by working on bone density -- standing, walking and, especially, weight lifting. Ergo weight lifting may be have brain health effects than Lumosity.

did it really take that long(years) for the pain to go?how long it took to ease it,after you started to walk?having the same problem for about a couple of months now.

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did it really take that long(years) for the pain to go?how long it took to ease it,after you started to walk?having the same problem for about a couple of months now.

I have always walked the dog, but that year I really doubled up on the walking, I would say that I averaged 10,000 steps a day for the whole winter and into the spring. It took quite a while to move the needle on the pain, but at some point it just disappeared. Maybe nine months.

And I am still walking at that pace. Walking is its own reward.

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Thinking about it more, I don't think any chair could provide any useable support while leaning forward, as your weight is off of it. This Ergonomics guide also suggests reclining some as the best posture:
CUergo: Computer Workstation Ergonomics Guidelines

I wonder if the Embody is designed to force reclining in the seat some, as that would be the correct better posture for the body and allow the chair to correctly support you.

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My major dislike was it pushes me forward, I lean forward naturally in the chair

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Thanks for sharing Mike. I remember earlier for quite some time you posted positive feedback. How long did it take you to realize you don't like it?

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I am still using Steelcase Amia
The Fully-Customizable Steelcase Amia Chair by Smart Furniture


It helped me a lot. In the last one year I had pain only once. Just thought I would update.

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I too have herniated disc and I have been using my Herman Miller for the last 3 years with very little issues.

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I stopped using my Herman Miller Emobdy because it just felt uncomfortable anymore, it pushes me forward too much.

Was looking at something different:

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I don't care about the colors, but the side bolsters and lumbar may be useful for long term sitting.



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I didnt have a big budget so I was looking for something in the $300 range. I am 5' 11" with, thankfully, no back issues and my needs were simple:
  • I needed my feet to touch flat on the floor when the seat is on its lowest position.
  • Then, I wanted a headrest that comfortably supported my lower back head/neck area.
  • Furthermore, I wanted to be able to lock the backrest angle so that it does not recline fully (which is how I sit most of the time) all the time but at the same time, have the option to go all the way back (when I am using my meditation software - mostly to take quick power naps ).
  • I wanted to be able to adjust the seat cushion in relation to the backrest. Basically I want to adjust the seat cushion all the way forward so most of my thighs are resting on the seat (like in a car)
  • Lastly, I wanted a breathable surface - no fabric definitely.

I found this chair to have 90% of what I needed: WorkPro Quantum 9000 Series Ergonomic Mesh High Back Chair With Headrest Black by Office Depot & OfficeMax.

I have been on it for about 2 hours now and it feels very comfortable. Other than the hand rests being a tad high, I am very happy so far.

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I bought a DX Racer King Series , because I'm a big guy. This chair is very well made. All the component are hi quality.

I was looking to change my chair , because the one I use didn't have armrest and since couple month I have some
sort of pain in my shoulder without doing something special

Features include: 170 Degree reclining back rest, a Knee-Tilt mechanism with lockable recline, 4D adjustable armrests, seat height adjustment, lumbar support cushion, headrest cushion and integrated footrests on the base or new heavy
(Source DX Racer)


For my part I don't use the lumbar support cushion because I found it very uncomfortable, but I use the headrest cushion.

I can adjust the armrest on this chair so now my arm a really 90 deg to my keyboard and my mouse so my shoulder are more relax because and don't feel the pain, so it a good thing.

One other thing that I'm happy is the seat cushion who is well made, most of the chair when you pressing the seat cushion you can feel the bottom structure of the chair, but not this one. I was afraid because I didn't try the chair before purchasing it. I found the cushion seat a little bit firm but very confortable.

You can adjust the chair on a lot of position so you can find your position to be very comfortable

For sure it a expensive chair but I spend a lot of hours in front of my computer, and I want to be comfortable so I do not care to spend a few buck for a good chair



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I know the topic is "chairs"
But have you people considered an adjustable desk/workstation?

There are some great adjustable desks that move up and down. This allows you to adjust the desk height from standing to sitting to the ground.

I prefer to trade on the floor. I sit on a coccyx cushion and that imo has saved my back. Taking the load of my lumbar.
My neck is my biggest issue.

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I prefer to trade on the floor. I sit on a coccyx cushion and that imo has saved my back. Taking the load of my lumbar.
My neck is my biggest issue.

I'm trying to understand this, can you share a photo of this in action?

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I'm trying to understand this, can you share a photo of this in action?

Mike

Sorry. Bad explanation.

To clarify I sit on a coccyx cushion on the floor, and have my monitors on a entertainment stand that is about knee height. This is about 20" off the floor which the monitors rest on.
I think it will be easier on my neck if I raise my monitors a few inches. A simple fix.


I am really interested in the workstations similar to the ones nurses use that can go up and down. I've seen them for trading too. But they are in the thousands of dollars.

Another thought would be to put the monitors on an adjustable arm that the elevation can be adjusted.

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I was trying to imagine something more like this



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the correct answer is "have lots of sitting options and move a lot". Sitting is horrible for you.
I have a regular office chair, a saddle chair, a yoga ball, a 6"x12x18 box, an 18"x24x36 box, a big circular pillow, and of course, my favorite, a nice homemade rocking sieza chair. I spend no more than 30 minutes in any one sitting device, and actually have my sierra chart play a chirp at XX:20 and XX:50 to "move around switch it up". I try to spend at least half the day sitting directly on the floor on my big green pillow. My desk is also setup to be usable standing, sitting in normal chair or on the floor.



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I need a new chair with lumbar support and recline ability. Im 6.5ft and 104kgs. Herman Miller chairs have decent reviews but the price is eyewatering. Can ,whoever owns one, tell me what the build quality is like and how hardy the chairs are. Most things nowdays cater to hobbits weighing in at 75-80kgs and who are 6ft short. If I spend that much then its got to be a long term chair that can handle a man mountain.

Or any other suggestions would be very welcome.

Thanks.

Edit: The Steelcase brand appear to be an alternative to Herman Miller chairs. Unfortunately I cannot find anywhere close by that stocks these chairs (so that I can try it out first) so if I do decide on one, Im going to have to go on reviews alone.

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I need a new chair with lumbar support and recline ability. Im 6.5ft and 104kgs. Herman Miller chairs have decent reviews but the price is eyewatering. Can ,whoever owns one, tell me what the build quality is like and how hardy the chairs are. Most things nowdays cater to hobbits weighing in at 75-80kgs and who are 6ft short. If I spend that much then its got to be a long term chair that can handle a man mountain.

Or any other suggestions would be very welcome.

Thanks.

Edit: The Steelcase brand appear to be an alternative to Herman Miller chairs. Unfortunately I cannot find anywhere close by that stocks these chairs (so that I can try it out first) so if I do decide on one, Im going to have to go on reviews alone.

In the chair world to a large degree you get what you pay for. The prices are painful but worth if can get right chair. I have the Herman Miller Embody. Before that I had a steelcase which was great but I prefer the embody. Build Quality on both excellent. I am 6ft and fits me great.

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In the chair world to a large degree you get what you pay for. The prices are painful but worth if can get right chair. I have the Herman Miller Embody. Before that I had a steelcase which was great but I prefer the embody. Build Quality on both excellent. I am 6ft and fits me great.

Great someone that has had both! I must admit that I am leaning to the Miller embody from the reviews.
I read that the Miller does not have an adjustable lumbar support and the steelcase does. How do you find the lumbar support one compared to the other?

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I would say steel case has most lumbar. But they are really different chairs. Hard to explain unless you sit in both. But they both are excellent. I still have my steel case but really prefer the Embody. The Embody just cradles me better for lack of a better way to say it.

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I need a new chair with lumbar support and recline ability. Im 6.5ft and 104kgs. Herman Miller chairs have decent reviews but the price is eyewatering. Can ,whoever owns one, tell me what the build quality is like and how hardy the chairs are. Most things nowdays cater to hobbits weighing in at 75-80kgs and who are 6ft short. If I spend that much then its got to be a long term chair that can handle a man mountain.

Or any other suggestions would be very welcome.

Thanks.

Edit: The Steelcase brand appear to be an alternative to Herman Miller chairs. Unfortunately I cannot find anywhere close by that stocks these chairs (so that I can try it out first) so if I do decide on one, Im going to have to go on reviews alone.

get the herman miller...they're all great but either Aeron, Mirra 2 or Embody
- and they do come in different sizes so should be able to fit you hightower guys

best bet is to call them up and ask them which model and size is best for you.

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SmartMotion Ergonomics profiles the patented Swing Chair in the video link above.

Ergonomic Office Chair with Natural Human Motion

I have used a Swing Chair for years and recently got their latest version.
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