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Hey guys,

It's 2021 and we're all hoping for positive change in the world, and a return to a bit more normalcy is soon upon us.

I would like to hear from you - should civil discourse of politics be allowed in the off-topic section of our community?

Politics often impact markets. There is also part of me that believes that we, as a community, have a lot to say about politics and the world events that affect us all.

There would be rules: a strong enforcement of civil posts. No incitement. No flames. No trolling.

I will be creating a site wide poll for this subject in the coming days, but the current poll is still running and needs to finish first. In the meantime, please share your thoughts.

Should civil discourse about politics be allowed on FIO?

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Guys,

I have one idea that might make this decision easier. What if I could make it so the Politics thread was completely anonymous? No display names next to posts? I am not sure I can, but I think so... it would take some doing, but I am actually kind of wanting a politics thread (can you tell) so I would be willing to try it.

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There are plenty of places on the Internet to argue politics.

I'd like to keep futures.io free of politics - except how maybe certain elections, etc could cause markets to change.

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I'm non US member of the site and I'm dependent on social media to get the understanding of the flow with US/EU politics. So, I certainly welcome the presence of those threads.

But I've also noticed strong possibility of those discussions going astray and resulting in unfortunate actions against otherwise civil and contributing members, so I would also echo Kevindogs very well put out sentiment in

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There are plenty of places on the Internet to argue politics.

I'd like to keep futures.io free of politics - except how maybe certain elections, etc could cause markets to change.


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I'm non US member of the site and I'm dependent on social media to get the understanding of the flow with US/EU politics. So, I certainly welcome the presence of those threads.

But I've also noticed strong possibility of those discussions going astray and resulting in unfortunate actions against otherwise civil and contributing members, so I would also echo Kevindogs very well put out sentiment in

Something like flame wars would be a problem.

The mods would stamp the flames out, but might get pretty busy.... Hence the strong civility requirement, with common agreement on showing retraint.

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There are plenty of places on the Internet to argue politics.

I'd like to keep futures.io free of politics - except how maybe certain elections, etc could cause markets to change.

Fully agree!

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I'd say, unless the context is to discuss how it may effect a market, politics is an annoyance.

COVID, the responses to it by leaders, and the willingness of the populace to accept anything, has made me hate humanity.

I participate in, and am inundated with politics ALL DAY. I come here to get away from the nonsense and chat with people about trading so I don't have to be reminded how much people suck.

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Guys,

I have one idea that might make this decision easier. What if I could make it so the Politics thread was completely anonymous? No display names next to posts? I am not sure I can, but I think so... it would take some doing, but I am actually kind of wanting a politics thread (can you tell) so I would be willing to try it.

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might make a shit storm of people throwing opinions at everyone, could see it turning into a bad idea but thats my 0.02

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I am a member of FIO for one reason...to be part of a trading community that supports each other to learn and grow as traders which you have certainly done here Mike. I enjoyed the beginnings of the Covid thread as it was talking about the markets reaction and there weren't the droves of conspiracy folks drumming up anything said on the web and presenting it as "evidence".

I agree, if a person wants to engage in the drama and divisiveness there are many options. I want to talk trading...period. A few times lately I was checking the Covid thread like a person looks at a car crash...and I hate that...so I just haven't looked again until I saw your name listed as last poster.

I've been here for 7 years and I can't recall having such issues until the current situation and all the fear it has brought up. So, for me...Imma stick to trading threads and let others discuss political issues. Longer than I planned...too much coffee perhaps.

Thanks Mike for taking the lead in any case...love FIO.

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It may not have been obvious, but for a good part of the past year the moderators have made a deliberate choice to discourage political expression, sometimes by requesting posters to refrain from politics, sometimes by just deleting political posts. I sent DM's to a couple of friends asking them to cool it. This was a policy decision we made to try to keep an even keel in the forum during difficult times.

I personally think that the point of this policy has been a good one: to keep political controversies out of the forum and let us focus on the things that we came here for and that we can find common ground on.

I also think that political developments can impact markets, so they are valid things to discuss from that perspective. And I think that **if** we can remember to respect each other -- which is the point of the forum's basic rule against rudeness -- then it may be possible to relax that policy and allow productive, civil, mutually respectful political discussions, along with everything else we allow and encourage.... Not free-for-alls, not one person blasting another for their opinion, but discussions between grown-ups.

In the past, I have had sometimes-intense political or social discussions here with people who had very different views from mine, and we were fine with it, because we knew not to take it personally. I also came away having learned something, a clear plus as I see it.

My take on Mike's suggestion is that, within a mutually-accepted and moderated context, we lift the restriction against politics within the off-topic area, as well as anywhere else where it is pertinent to trading. I am cautiously in favor of this idea. (Cautiously.) The important thing is that, just as no one gets to flame somebody because they don't like a particular trading style or opinion, no one gets to flame someone for their politics. Or anything else.

I understand why people would not want it here. But just as the covid thread started out being non-political in the bad sense, and initailly did have a range of useful opinions from many political viewpoints, I think it may be possible to relax the restriction against everything political while still maintaining, and enforcing, the fundamental futures.io rules of civility and respectful discussion.

Just my half a cent. This is not a simple question, not only because tempers can run high, but simply because many of us (including me) are just disgusted with the whole business of politics. But can it be done better? I hope so.

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