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Should civil discourse about politics be allowed on FIO?

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And this is exactly why studies show that arguing with people or presenting evidence contrary to their false beliefs tends to just make them cling to their false beliefs more. They will always see the flaws in other tribes and never the flaws in their own. We end up arguing about sources and semantics instead of presenting empirical evidence.

That's why we have to have markets. It's the only way to allow participants to express their beliefs and attach consequences. When we do that 95% of people end up failing. Go figure.

Astute observation. This reminds me of an episode of the documentary TV series, Through the Wormhole. Episode 1 of season 6 is about bigotry ( Are We All Bigots?), but it dove into tribes and why people tend to defend their tribe, even if their tribe is an assigned one, like an elementary/primary school. It is an interesting episode if you can get your hands on it.

Now, imagine if FIO members and ForexFactory members got into a flame war over which community is better, etc..... just a thought. It is all arbitrary to me, but maybe not to others.

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What if you didn't have to enter, or be exposed to the political forum. And those that wanted political discussion could have it, separate and apart from the main forum.

Would you still vote no?

If I didn't have to ever click on the "Political Discussion" Button, then I would Vote YES! I respect Freedom of Speech when I have the choice to listen or not.

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And this is exactly why studies show that arguing with people or presenting evidence contrary to their false beliefs tends to just make them cling to their false beliefs more. They will always see the flaws in other tribes and never the flaws in their own. We end up arguing about sources and semantics instead of presenting empirical evidence.

Well said.

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... It can only degrade into a shouting match or worse..

Who are the fact checkers? Without a common set of facts, how do we communicate?

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And this is exactly why studies show that arguing with people or presenting evidence contrary to their false beliefs tends to just make them cling to their false beliefs more.

Do you have a peer reviewed citation for that? Or at least some data and statistics from an established verified source to support your assertion? Otherwise I will have to reject everything you have just said due to the lack of objective academic sources.

See how boring that gets?

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The term "peer reviewed" is steeped in systemic inequality and offensive, please remove this post.
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Do you have a peer reviewed citation for that? Or at least some data and statistics from an established verified source to support your assertion? Otherwise I will have to reject everything you have just said due to the lack of objective academic sources.

See how boring that gets?


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Do you have a peer reviewed citation for that? Or at least some data and statistics from an established verified source to support your assertion? Otherwise I will have to reject everything you have just said due to the lack of objective academic sources.

See how boring that gets?


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The term "peer reviewed" is steeped in systemic inequality and offensive, please remove this post.

Actually, I think his intent was sarcastic in presenting an example of how someone might dogmatically, and wrongly, challenge another person's opinion with the demand for an academic citation. I don't think it was meant as a serious expression by @Grantx himself -- quite the contrary, because he then said, "See how boring that gets?"

I do think that @Grantx could have been more clear in how he expressed it. There is a place for nuance, and sometimes for speaking indirectly and even sarcastically, but it is easily possible to be misunderstood. If taken on its face, it can be read as picking a fight or as being offensive, which I do not think was the intention.

As a moderator, I am leaving the post as-is, with this comment about it. I think that we must have a care about how our statements might be read by another person, and put clarity first, especially in any discussion that deals with touchy areas where feelings may run high.

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My suggestion is that the political discussion board be for elite members only.

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Do you have a peer reviewed citation for that? Or at least some data and statistics from an established verified source to support your assertion? Otherwise I will have to reject everything you have just said due to the lack of objective academic sources.

Sure. Here's a wikipedia page on the subject that has numerous references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance

Here's an article about a specific study where they tried different ways of convincing people vaccines were safe, and their attempts largely failed:
https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/i-dont-want-to-be-right

We could keep going if we really want to dig into it.


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See how boring that gets?

Well, I don't find it boring. I hate it when people don't believe me, but I'll always do the extra work. I don't just pull this stuff out of nowhere ya know.

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...I hate it when people don't believe me...

Hopefully, you'll one day reach a level of enlightenment whereby you simply won't give af if people believe you.

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