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Each post has a 'kick' button. Readers have the option to kick the post if they find it offensive or trolling or whatever. If it gets to say 10 kicks, then it is auto-deleted by the system. That way no one can complain that a moderator is biased against them and the community gets to self-police who stays and who goes. Citations are an ok idea but political topics tend to flow hot and fast. is there going to be any time to cite when one is on the offensive and has a point to prove?

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Each post has a 'kick' button. Readers have the option to kick the post if they find it offensive or trolling or whatever. If it gets to say 10 kicks, then it is auto-deleted by the system. That way no one can complain that a moderator is biased against them and the community gets to self-police who stays and who goes. Citations are an ok idea but political topics tend to flow hot and fast. is there going to be any time to cite when one is on the offensive and has a point to prove?

Don't think this would work.

People clique up; in groups larger than ten etc. (Right vs. Left.)

Would turn into an autodelete fest.

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Ever since Trump came down the escalator, I have tried to have a decent conversation with "Them".
"They" believe their version of reality is the only True reality.
"We" believe that the only True version of reality is ours.

Plug in either party that you want for "Them", "They" and "We"... It can only degrade into a shouting match or worse.
If you never lost a friend or family member over a political argument, then Vote Yes. I have to Vote No.

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Ever since Trump came down the escalator, I have tried to have a decent conversation with "Them".
"They" believe their version of reality is the only True reality.
"We" believe that the only True version of reality is ours.

Plug in either party that you want for "Them", "They" and "We"... It can only degrade into a shouting match or worse.
If you never lost a friend or family member over a political argument, then Vote Yes. I have to Vote No.

What if you didn't have to enter, or be exposed to the political forum. And those that wanted political discussion could have it, separate and apart from the main forum.

Would you still vote no?

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Not aiming at you, just picking here to chime in...

But what is the solution as Americans?

"Oh well" ?

I'm suggesting that, perhaps, it's worth trying to educate the other side. Not alternative facts, but you know, real facts.

I say the sky is blue and the other guy says red, I think there is at least an opportunity for everyone to hear out our fellow Americans and try to understand their position. I should ask how they arrived at their conclusion, and they should do the same of me.

Common ground can be found (perhaps we both agree water is wet) and we can work up from there.

I guess I'm just not willing to say "oh well, fuck it" and give up on the idea that I believe America still (can, may) stand for. If we don't talk to each other, we probably just continue to harden our position. But if we do start talking, maybe some good can come.

I thought that all of us being traders could provide that relatable foundation and common ground and we go from there, for the good of our families, our kids, and restore the America we all desire it to be.

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Ever since Trump came down the escalator, I have tried to have a decent conversation with "Them".
"They" believe their version of reality is the only True reality.
"We" believe that the only True version of reality is ours.

Plug in either party that you want for "Them", "They" and "We"... It can only degrade into a shouting match or worse.
If you never lost a friend or family member over a political argument, then Vote Yes. I have to Vote No.

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The sky is red and if you say otherwise it just show how racist and privileged you are.
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Not aiming at you, just picking here to chime in...

But what is the solution as Americans?

"Oh well" ?

I'm suggesting that, perhaps, it's worth trying to educate the other side. Not alternative facts, but you know, real facts.

I say the sky is blue and the other guy says red, I think there is at least an opportunity for everyone to hear out our fellow Americans and try to understand their position. I should ask how they arrived at their conclusion, and they should do the same of me.

Common ground can be found (perhaps we both agree water is wet) and we can work up from there.

I guess I'm just not willing to say "oh well, fuck it" and give up on the idea that I believe America still (can, may) stand for. If we don't talk to each other, we probably just continue to harden our position. But if we do start talking, maybe some good can come.

I thought that all of us being traders could provide that relatable foundation and common ground and we go from there, for the good of our families, our kids, and restore the America we all desire it to be.


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Cant quote direct yet..
I'm suggesting that, perhaps, it's worth trying to educate the other side. Not alternative facts, but you know, real facts.

Just saying...no such thing as facts in politics especially not if spoken by a politician. Peoples confirmation bias wont let them acknowledge what goes against what they believe/think anyway unless it matches the agenda of themselves and their political party.

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Great poll, @Big Mike ! I'm coming into this discussion late, but I'm with most others in my sentiment: there are plenty of other places on the internet for politics. Politics do not really impact trading in the long term, and this is coming from mouths of professional asset managers I follow. For those who trade the news or very short term, yeah, there are bumps that may come from a politician's tweet here or there, but in the long run the impact is blunted. That is my perspective as a market technician.

On the flip side, as @cory mentioned, I would not have found out about the SC support forum fiasco if not for FIO. That thread, however, was not political per se (and in my opinion), but relevant to the traders here. That information helps traders decide: do I want to use software developed by people who support unsubstantiated and potentially dangerous conspiracy theories? I won't go into why this might be a security risk. Just sayin'.

With that being stated, I have fired two partners in the past six months for bringing politics and conspiracy theories into my professional sphere, including one vendor. I have no place nor tolerance for it. We've got business to do.... let's get to it and make money.

There are people here with whom I share a worldview and others with whom our worldviews differ. I want to respect people for what they can teach, learn and share about trading (and the occasional funny pic), without having to see them through a filter of 'leftist', 'far-right', 'centrist', etc. I've got enough to keep my mind occupied as it is.

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Cant quote direct yet..
I'm suggesting that, perhaps, it's worth trying to educate the other side. Not alternative facts, but you know, real facts.

Just saying...no such thing as facts in politics especially not if spoken by a politician. Peoples confirmation bias wont let them acknowledge what goes against what they believe/think anyway unless it matches the agenda of themselves and their political party.

Over half my family suffers from confirmation bias.... sadly they don't know what that is and I cannot convince them to step back and find an unbiased source for information. It takes a little bit of rigor/discipline to do so, but it is easier to just consume the media with which you have become accustomed. I think it is, in part, laziness.

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And this is exactly why studies show that arguing with people or presenting evidence contrary to their false beliefs tends to just make them cling to their false beliefs more. They will always see the flaws in other tribes and never the flaws in their own. We end up arguing about sources and semantics instead of presenting empirical evidence.

That's why we have to have markets. It's the only way to allow participants to express their beliefs and attach consequences. When we do that 95% of people end up failing. Go figure.

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