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You get your prescription filled like any other medication. That is what you are paying 200 a month for. Of course it is much cheaper on the black market if you want to take all kinds of risks. I certainly do not.

yeah if your over 40 for us that aren't you either need to find a shady doctor or really really low test levels for your age. Im sure they are out there but i've yet to find one.


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yeah if your over 40 for us that aren't you either need to find a shady doctor or really really low test levels for your age. Im sure they are out there but i've yet to find one.

That is why you should wait and not take anything until you actually need it when you are old.

I know guys at 30 that are basically already going to need TRT for life from doing dumb things. Just to bench 375 instead of 315 and be able to brag they are on tren. It is a ridiculous trade off.

If it is the difference between playing a college sport or not I can maybe see. Just for the gym though is crazy and body dysmorphic .

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I should add I think the #1 thing you need to do if you do not now is focus on hydration.
Your pee should basically never be yellow. Hydration is such a non linear response on performance, even a slightly less than optimal state of hydration is a huge difference at the gym.
The only way I can be hydrated is to always have a water bottle sitting around. It has to be a certain size for me though. If it is too small I don't drink enough but if is a 2 gallon jug I don't drink enough either.

Next to me is it is crazy to not supplement vitamin C. It cost practically nothing to take 500mg of vit C a day. After 2 years of this, I got like a minor cold this winter for like a day and it was gone.

No reason to not take a cheap multi vitamin as well. Zinc/mag/ZMA I am so so on. Fish oil I am so so on. I like liquid vit B someones but I am 99% certain it is placebo.

Supplements are cheap insurance policies, they are not legal PEDs.

I think I have always ate enough red meat that creatine has never done that much for me.

Maybe even above hydration though is to absolutely avoid pre work out stimulants. If getting your heart rate up before lifting weights kills your strength then your conditioning sucks and you are leaving gains on the table anyway. I think people that take workout stimulants also tend to have no periodization in their training structure. Your periodization can't be 110% every workout. That is just dumb. Yes, stimulants improve endurance by overriding the central governor but you don't get to do this for free.

Then after that avoid sarms/test/steroids until you are old and actually need them.

If you want to try tricks then try a really hard, glycogen depleting, full body conditioning workout once a week and then right after spike your insulin with like 1000-1500 calories of simple carbs and junk food along with some whey. That does something highly anabolic that I wish I could have seen the results when I was young and in my prime. It is kind of the less dangerous and crazy way a bodybuilder uses insulin. It has to be junk food though. You aren't going to be able to eat 5 cups of oatmeal post workout and it won't spike insulin the same. Of course this should be done while bulking and not forever.


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Weee bit info from me

Lot of well educated responses here, this is just to share my personal way of dealing with it

Stick to natural sources of protein, especially if you are living outside first world localities. You see where I live you would be lucky if you found genuine supplier of protein and do not depend on your gym bros for supplies either, that's a disaster waiting to happen.

However, you are training to be mass monster, you can't avoid this, so better to establish genuine source yourself. If you are not training to be mass monster, its relatively not that difficult to live without so much outside stuff.

Keep things simple, a cup of coffee might be a better than most "keep me full of energy drink" before workout. Banana's to take care of potassium and recovery after workout, morning breakfast of Oats and eggs, sometimes soya and sprouts. On random times some dry fruits and nuts, good supply of water to be hydrated, especially do it if you sweat a lot. A very good warmup followed by reps of 12-10-8, is really all I do. No protein bars, no protein powder or BCAA etc

I say this with view of just regular want to stay healthy guy point of view, not a muscle mass guy or even strong man lifting guy. Those require different regimes.

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I usually try to refrain from various supplements. Always get my vitamins from real food. Balanced diet is working for me. Though sometimes I am listless and do take purblack shilajit supplement, but do not take it regularly.


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Next to me is it is crazy to not supplement vitamin C. It cost practically nothing to take 500mg of vit C a day. After 2 years of this, I got like a minor cold this winter for like a day and it was gone.

No reason to not take a cheap multi vitamin as well. Zinc/mag/ZMA I am so so on. Fish oil I am so so on. I like liquid vit B someones but I am 99% certain it is placebo.

Then after that avoid sarms/test/steroids until you are old and actually need them.

I often hear about taking excessive amounts of Vitamin C. But the body does not store Vit C . So, if you take more than 100% , your body expels the excess through urine. So, how can taking excessive amounts benefit someone, unless it is 'time delayed'?

Vitamins are cheap, even multimineral / multivitamins. Not everybody eats a well balanced diet and very few actually eat according to the food pyramid. If you are not going to take specific supplements, a vitamin combination is good. They can't hurt.

If you are older and want to try some testosterone how do you approach your doctor?

I tried asking my doc for Botox because I told him I had intermittent migraines ( Botox is used for migraines) and I thought that a few injections in the frown lines and forehead would be helpful, but he did not buy into my diagnosis.........lol. Maybe the fact that I have only had 5,6 headaches in my life did not help my argument.


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Lot of well educated responses here, this is just to share my personal way of dealing with it

Stick to natural sources of protein, especially if you are living outside first world localities. You see where I live you would be lucky if you found genuine supplier of protein and do not depend on your gym bros for supplies either, that's a disaster waiting to happen.

Locally grown fresh vegetables are the best for anyone to eat.
They have microscopic levels of pollen, germs and other 'additives' found in the local area.
If you eat locally grown vegetables you consume micro levels of the pollen and your body develops an immunity against them, in the same way that we take receive low levels of a flu vaccine so we don't develop the flu in its entirety.


I imagine eating locally raised beef would probably help as well.

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I often hear about taking excessive amounts of Vitamin C. But the body does not store Vit C . So, if you take more than 100% , your body expels the excess through urine. So, how can taking excessive amounts benefit someone, unless it is 'time delayed'?

Vitamins are cheap, even multimineral / multivitamins. Not everybody eats a well balanced diet and very few actually eat according to the food pyramid. If you are not going to take specific supplements, a vitamin combination is good. They can't hurt.

If you are older and want to try some testosterone how do you approach your doctor?

I tried asking my doc for Botox because I told him I had intermittent migraines ( Botox is used for migraines) and I thought that a few injections in the frown lines and forehead would be helpful, but he did not buy into my diagnosis.........lol. Maybe the fact that I have only had 5,6 headaches in my life did not help my argument.

Im assuming when you say doctor you are talking about a family doctor/GP . Look for a Low T center in your area, men naturally lose test after the age of 25-30. Depending on who and where you go it shouldn't break the bank.

Re-guarding the migraines, I use to get chronic migraines and one doctor wouldn't give me anything and the next tried to get me hooked on everything under the sun. If you really want Botox go to a plastic surgeon its cheap, I know our family friends charges 5 dollars a shot.

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Im assuming when you say doctor you are talking about a family doctor/GP . Look for a Low T center in your area, men naturally lose test after the age of 25-30. Depending on who and where you go it shouldn't break the bank.

Re-guarding the migraines, I use to get chronic migraines and one doctor wouldn't give me anything and the next tried to get me hooked on everything under the sun. If you really want Botox go to a plastic surgeon its cheap, I know our family friends charges 5 dollars a shot.

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I only made that remark to the doctor so insurance would cover it....lol


$5 !!!

I had some done about 10 years ago and I paid $800 for about 8 shots in my forehead and face.

I wonder if it is that cheap around here as well..........(Dallas / Ft Worth). Perhaps the price has come down with competition?

BTW, I take a multivitamin / multimineral everyday. As well as B12, Omega 3, Levythyroxin for my thyroid, DHEA (3X week ), 81MG aspirin (3X week), Turmeric and Co Q 10.


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I do well with rice protein and vegan weight gainer, combined with a balanced diet.

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