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Off topic - but even then the onerous is on you to prove beyond a doubt that they are wrong.

I wouldn't call that off topic. It's part of the whole thing.

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I was trying to make a point about a Silicon Valley mindset, which is summed up in the now-old slogan, "Information wants to be free."

What this means is that there should be no restrictions on the flow and exchange of information. This has been the mantra of social media during its period of explosive growth.

Now, do I think Zuckerberg is "honest"? Not in every sense of the word, no. But in the sense that he really does think that everyone benefits from the fullest sharing of information, yes. I think he is being honest about that simply because he does really believe it, and has said so. It's the whole idea behind Facebook. He also does believe that it's an idealistic idea, which will make the world better.

I think this idea is wrong, because it is irresponsible. It also has made Zuckerberg rich, which is not at all incidental. People do believe, and try to justify, what makes them money.

My point is that there have to be restrictions on the sharing of information, and unlimited openness is not better, when the people involved, whose information it is, discover that the sharing has exposed more than they wanted.

(It's easy to say that it's just the dumb users' fault. Well, it is in part. But FB made it very easy for them to put all this data out there, because that's what FB wanted, and also put to use.)

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To make as much money as possible.

True, it is all about human pschyology, most want to be known, liked, supported and FB taps into these basic human emotions. Most the kids today want to be social media stars also

It is one of the reasons FB is so valuable to advertise on. 2 billion and growing users sharing their information. The value of FB is evident in the last month, with all the negative press it is still holding strong around $158.

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I read this the other day.... I’m afraid it’s a good idea.

Don’t get me wrong..... I’m constantly polishing my mirror, or at least trying to.... pregnant with my soul, as I am, working hard to foster growth of my “limbs and organs” ...namely truthfulness... trustworthiness ... honesty... integrity.....

https://%20www.wsj.com/articles/you-werent-born-in-1910-why-people-lie-to-facebook-1522682361

I barely use Facebook... can’t remember the last time I did something over there. Prefer Twitter.

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I read this the other day.... I’m afraid it’s a good idea.

Don’t get me wrong..... I’m constantly polishing my mirror, or at least trying to.... pregnant with my soul, as I am, working hard to foster growth of my “limbs and organs” ...namely truthfulness... trustworthiness ... honesty... integrity.....


I barely use Facebook... can’t remember the last time I did something over there. Prefer Twitter.

Ron

Hey Ron, good to see you around buddy.......

I don't have a WSJ subscription but if the first few lines of the article are anything to go by,


Quoting 
WASHINGTON—When news of an enormous Facebook breach broke last month, Chris Wellens couldn’t help feeling a little smug. After all, nearly all the information the technology executive had given the social media giant was false.

Consumers, wary of how their information is being used, lie about everything from names to birth dates to professions when companies ask for personal details online. Some are worried about identity theft, some just want to protect their privacy and some hope to fool advertisers by intentionally mucking...

I totally support this, in fact it's kinda the point of the whole thread.

What I mean is this: after the boom that Big Data carried with it, to me it was obvious that, sooner or later, data breaches were going to happen; some worse than others (in fact, I fear we have not seen the worst by far, yet).

When you do business transactions online (such as shopping, paying for goods or services, etc.) you of course must provide your true details. The same goes for government correspondence, for instance; or financial related organizations.

But there isn't much else - in my view - that the average online user should trust.

I keep reading scary stories in the press about ways how data are mishandled.

Today's apps and systems give you the option to link
  • multiple email addresses
  • your YouTube account
  • your Twitter account
  • your Facebook account
  • your LinkedIn account
  • ....and many more

In other words, by providing these apps with real details, one is gift-wrapping a set of online fingerprints which is very easily distinguishable from others to, potentially, being able to identify quite precisely an individual.

Just for fun, a couple of times I tried to look up names of people on several social media platforms. I am talking here about common people, like you and me, and it's so damn easy to find the same individual on all these systems.

The NSA already has systems that are able to link these platforms together.

How simple would that be for somebody with more nefarious purposes to do the same?

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Found a way to make a pdf of it for you. IMHO WSJ is an outstanding paper....

Privacy in the digital age-wsj-printing-you-weren-t-born-1905_-why-people-lie-facebook.pdf

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Hey Ron, good to see you around buddy.......

I don't have a WSJ subscription but if the first few lines of the article are anything to go by,



I totally support this, in fact it's kinda the point of the whole thread.

What I mean is this: after the boom that Big Data carried with it, to me it was obvious that, sooner or later, data breaches were going to happen; some worse than others (in fact, I fear we have not seen the worst by far, yet).

When you do business transactions online (such as shopping, paying for goods or services, etc.) you of course must provide your true details. The same goes for government correspondence, for instance; or financial related organizations.

But there isn't much else - in my view - that the average online user should trust.

I keep reading scary stories in the press about ways how data are mishandled.

Today's apps and systems give you the option to link
  • multiple email addresses
  • your YouTube account
  • your Twitter account
  • your Facebook account
  • your LinkedIn account
  • ....and many more

In other words, by providing these apps with real details, one is gift-wrapping a set of online fingerprints which is very easily distinguishable from others to, potentially, being able to identify quite precisely an individual.

Just for fun, a couple of times I tried to look up names of people on several social media platforms. I am talking here about common people, like you and me, and it's so damn easy to find the same individual on all these systems.

The NSA already has systems that are able to link these platforms together.

How simple would that be for somebody with more nefarious purposes to do the same?


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Found a way to make a pdf of it for you. IMHO WSJ is an outstanding paper....

Thanks Ron. I support the ideas in the article, except in some cases. For example, I would never intentionally misspell my real name when giving it to an airline company. I have heard of cases where travellers have had problems for a single letter out of place. It may be less stringent in the US when one travels domestically (I don't know), but better not risk it, IMO.

In other words, when intentionally misleading people could get you in trouble, that's where I draw the line.

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For the less textually and more visually-inclined, a couple of short videos about the recent FB scandal (and its roots)





Looking forward to PBS's Frontline this fall about it.

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And the information Google keeps on you, makes Facebook look amateurish.

This is a twitter thread by Dylan Curran whose bio says he's a privacy consulatant. If you have twitter I would recommend you read the thread itself as there are dozens of interesting graphics.



If you don't have twitter then this is the text

Want to freak yourself out? I'm gonna show just how much of your information the likes of Facebook and Google store about you without you even realising it

1. https://www.google.com/maps/timeline?pb … Google stores your location (if you have it turned on) every time you turn on your phone, and you can see a timeline from the first day you started using Google on your phone

2. This is every place I have been in the last twelve months in Ireland, going in so far as the time of day I was in the location and how long it took me to get to that location from my previous one

3. https://myactivity.google.com/myactivity Google stores search history across all your devices on a separate database, so even if you delete your search history and phone history, Google STILL stores everything until you go in and delete everything, and you have to do this on all devices

4. https://adssettings.google.com/ Google creates an advertisement profile based on your information, including your location, gender, age, hobbies, career, interests, relationship status, possible weight (need to lose 10lbs in one day?) and income

5. Google stores information on every app and extension you use, how often you use them, where you use them, and who you use them to interact with (who do you talk to on facebook, what countries are you speaking with, what time you go to sleep at) https://security.google.com/settings/security/permissions

6. [yt]https://www.youtube.com/feed/history/search_history[/yt] … Google stores ALL of your YouTube history, so they know whether you're going to be a parent soon, if you're a conservative, if you're a progressive, if you're Jewish, Christian, or Muslim, if you're feeling depressed or suicidal, if you're anorexic...

7. Google offers an option to download all of the data it stores about you, I've requested to download it and the file is 5.5GB BIG, which is roughly 3 MILLION Word documents https://www.google.com/settings/takeout

8. https://www.google.com/settings/takeout This link includes your bookmarks, emails, contacts, your Google Drive files, all of the above information, your YouTube videos, the photos you've taken on your phone, the businesses you've bought from, the products you've bought through Google...

9. Your calendar, your Google hangout sessions, your location history, the music you listen to, the Google books you've purchased, the Google groups you're in, the websites you've created, the phones you've owned, the pages you've shared, how many steps you walk in a day...

10. Facebook offers a similar option to download all your information, mine was roughly 600mb, which is roughly 400,000 Word documents

11. This includes every message you've ever sent or been sent, every file you've ever sent or been sent, all the contacts in your phone, and all the audio messages you've ever sent or been sent

12. Facebook also stores what it think you might be interested in based off the things you've liked and what you and your friends talk about (I apparently like the topic 'Girl')

13. Somewhat pointlessly, they also store all the stickers you've ever sent on Facebook (I have no idea why they do this, it's just a joke at this stage)

14. They also store every time you log into Facebook, where you logged in from, what time, and from what device

15. And they store all the applications you've ever had connected to your Facebook account, so they can guess I'm interested in politics and web and graphic design, that I was single between X and Y period with the installation of Tinder, and I got a HTC phone in November...

16. Side-note, if you have Windows 10 installed, this is a picture of JUST the privacy options with 16 different sub-menus, which have all of the options enabled by default when you install Windows 10

17. This includes tracking where you are, what applications you have installed, when you use them, what you use them for, access to your webcam and microphone at any time, your contacts, your e-mails, your calendar, your call history, the messages you send and receive...

18. The files you download, the games you play, your photos and videos, your music, your search history, your browsing history, even what RADIO stations you listen to

19. This is one of the craziest things about the modern age, we would never let the government or a corporation put cameras/microphones in our homes or location trackers on us, but we just went ahead and did it ourselves because fuck it I want to watch cute dog videos

20. I got the Google Takeout document with all my information, and this is a breakdown of all the different ways they get your information

21. Here's the search history document, which has 90,000 different entries, even showing the images I downloaded and the websites I accessed (I showed ThePirateBay section to show much damage this information can do)

22. Here's my Google Calendar broken down, showing all the events I've ever added, whether I actually attended them, and what time I attended them at (this part is what I went for an interview for a Marketing job, and what time I arrived at)

23. This is my Google Drive, which includes files I EXPLICITLY deleted including my resume, my monthly budget, and all the code, files, and websites I've ever made, and even my PGP private key, which I deleted, which I use to encrypt e-mails

24. This is my Google Fit, which shows all of the steps I've ever taken, any time I walked anywhere, and all the times I've recorded any meditation/yoga/workouts I've done (I deleted this information and revoked Google Fit's permissions)

25. This is all the photos ever taken with my phone, broken down by year, and includes metadata of when and where I took the photos

26. Every e-mail I've ever sent, that's been sent to me, including the ones I deleted or were categorised as spam

27. And now my Google Activity, this has thousands of files, so I'll just do a short summary of what they have

28. Firstly every Google Ad I've ever viewed or clicked on, every app I've ever launched or used and when I did it, every website I've ever visited and what time I did it at, and every app I've ever installed or searched for

29. Every image I've ever searched for and saved, every location I've ever searched for or clicked on, every news article I've ever searched for or read, and EVERY SINGLE google search I've made since 2009

30. And then finally, every YouTube video I've ever searched for or viewed, since 2008

31. I'm probably on an FBI watch-list now, so if I die in the next few months IT WASN'T AN ACCIDENT, IT WAS A SET-UP

32. This information has millions of nefarious uses and violates multiple human rights, you're not a terrorist? Then how come you were googling ISIS? Work at Google and you're suspicious of your wife? Perfect, just look up her location and search history for the last ten years

33. Manage to gain access to someone's Google account? Perfect, you have a chronological diary of everything that person has done for the last ten years

35. I have also taken a few days off work to partake in any interviews, podcasts, or radio shows that people may want me to do to spread information awareness

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And the information Google keeps on you, makes Facebook look amateurish.

Thanks S. - this post of yours is very useful and valuable.

I remember several months ago I checked the settings of a Google account of mine and what they have the capability of recording is staggering.

You can turn everything off, though, which is what I did.

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After the two hearings with Mr. Z I want to show where FB has clearly crossed several red lines:
If you are a member of FB you are "officially" willing (by accepting THEIR rules) to give a away your singular right to direct where your data goes. This is ok - if one reads the fine print and accepts.
I never did - and am still angry. Why?
Mr. Z said to the congress that any data of FB members are sniffed out. So they get the "friends" and all other contacts of a member like e-Mail, phone numbers and addresses. Then FB starts a fake virtual account of every friend or contact to sniff out anything they do while traveling or when online. Means FB SEES every move you do on your computer even if you are NOT a FB member. Every page you visit... you say it!

Scandal!

I think the fines - especially in USA - will be harsh when first NON-FB members will get to the judges.
Such "free" data collection is not wanted, nor will it be in the sense of any internet user. Today and tomorrow.

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PS: for this I am using protonmail.com to get end to end encryption for mail and files sended. No more sniffing

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