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The first thing I saw on google was 1% death of some vaccines, maybe I am wrong.
Wait so your defending someone/a government who would take rights away from innocent people? Your kidding me right? So people who do nothing wrong should lose there rights because of a few people? Do you not understand how ass backwards and that is goes completely against everything this country is built on? So when a drunk driver goes and kills someone we should all lose our rights to drive because of one idiot? You seem like a smart person so maybe there is some confusion going on here on both of our parts but innocent people should not have to sacrifice ANYTHING because someone decides to do something illegal. Take responsibility for your own actions( not meaning you but you get it).
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"Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie"-Miyamoto Musashi
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One more thought on gun suicide. Perhaps if guns were to disappear, wouldn't people who wanted to commit suicide just figure out how to do it some other way?
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@MiniP your taking a point twisting it and coming up with an incorrect conclusion and then implying anybody who doesn't agree with you is unamerican. The reality is the test/example you gave could be applied to an innumerable number of things about american life and achieve the same conclusion. Civilized Society lives by a set of rules and laws that society has decided are in the best interest of society. Those laws restrict (ie cause you to sacrafice) your freedom for the better good of society. Many countries in the world have come to the conclusion that restricting access to guns is in the best interest of society.
When a drunk driver goes and kills someone we should all lose our rights to drive because of one idiot?. Yes thats exactly what happens. You lose your right to have a drink and drive. How is it a stretch to go from that (your own example) to When a mentally unstable person goes and kills someone with a gun should all lose our rights to own guns because of one person? and the conclusion that Yes you lose your right to be mentally unstable and own a gun?. It's the same sentence we just replaced drink with mentally unstable and drive with gun! Not everybody loses the right to drive. Not everybody loses the right to a gun. But everybody loses the right to drink and drive and everybody loses the right to be mentally unstable and own a gun. It's called civilization. It's not unamerican or anti-freedom to be civilized.
yeah your right, THAT person loses his right to drive/own guns because they need to deal with the consequence not innocent people who have done nothing wrong. I'm not twisting anything you are saying, that is simply how i perceive what you are saying. If you want someone to look at something differently then you should word it in a different way. I think I have admitted I could of been wrong and if I am wrong in this case as well then I would gladly eat my words because I think that is how people learn/grow.
Your coming from a good place and it sounds like your heart is in the right place, I however think your solution could use some work. Its a very difficult decision/topic but people who have done nothing wrong do not deserve to lose any of there rights. Just like you said we are a civilized society and there is no reason why people who obey the laws and act in a civilized way deserve to have there rights taken away.
The flip side of that is the innocent people who are killed/hurt by these situations do not deserve to be put in that place either and it in-turns becomes a very difficult situation.
The other side of this and its going to sound extremely cold and morbid is that we are a massive society and there are going to be horrible people in it that do horrible things but just because theirs a small amount of horrible people, does not mean the contributing members of a society should lose any of there rights.
Im not twisting anything and the fact that you are trying to say I am implying if we do something we are un-american is incorrect.
Also if you look at other nations that have gotten rid of guns/implemented gun restrictions, they still have gun crime!
You end up exchanging one type of crime for another, bad people are going to do bad things no matter what.
I agree with you, something needs to be done but it seems like the only things that are going to be done are going to affect millions of innocent people.
-P
"Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie"-Miyamoto Musashi
I am a responsible polygamist. I am trained and experienced in handling the opposite sex. I keep them safe at home and only take them out with me when I go hunting. Why should I be banned from having multiple partners? Why must the age of consent be 18 just because a bunch of you are exploitative pedophiles and sex offenders?
Look at Chicago, a city where they banned polygamy and the age of consent is too high. That place is a mess because of that. The CDC estimates that 42% of women in Chicago have experienced domestic violence at some point in their lives. Places with high age of consent still have infidelity and domestic violence against young women!
Polygamy is as American as football. Even Thomas Jefferson had two partners. The second sentence of the Declaration of Independence says that it's my right to pursue happiness and that the government is instituted to secure that right. The far left lobby is trying to take away our Declaration of Independence rights.
If you take away all the 16 year old girls from the good guys like me, then only the bad guys will be able to acquire 16 year old girls.
The US is different from the rest of the first world so an age of consent that works in their countries won't work here. I live in rural North Dakota, and my place doesn't have a single eligible bachelorette over the age of 16 within a 100 mile radius who wants to procreate with me.
If you let the government start regulating this right, they're going to start regulating other privatized rights like my healthcare, high-speed internet from Comcast, the personal information I can share with private companies like Experian and Facebook, spam calls, tax preparation software, Amtrak, the legroom I get on a domestic flight, the freedom to pee anywhere I please in the New York metro subway, and all these other great things about America that the government should stay out of.
Over time I've come to realize these template arguments from people who oppose any sensible form of gun control represent a bad faith attempt to engage on the issue. Because they have a simply invalid logical form, so you aren't even debating the evidence, but trying to beat the gamemaster in a virtual world of his own distorted logical rules.
If in doubt, just substitute "gun" for "pedophilia" and you can see that they may just as well be using the exact same arguments to justify pedophilia.
I wonder if these tragedies ever will come to an end....
"If you don't design your own life plan, chances are you'll fall into someone else's plan. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much." - Jim Rohn
They have been happening for a long time and sadly are nothing new. Massacres plague all free societies. The flip side to not being free....the governments usually commit the massacres?
There is always a more acceptable position between unacceptable extremes.
For example, we don't have to accept either all lack of restraint in the use of firearms vs. total government control. Simple things like background checks to keep guns out of the hands of some unsuitable owners is not a major imposition on gun owners, and will reduce the number of purchases by those who shouldn't have them.
It is not freedom vs. tyranny. It is rationality vs. different forms of irrationality.
I have to pass a drivers test to be able to drive a car, because if I don't, the rest of the public is at risk from my unsuitability as a driver. There are a lot of rules like this, that limit my ability to do things that are dangerous to others. If I can pass a reasonable standard, I can be allowed to drive a car. If I can pass a reasonable standard for gun ownership I can be allowed to buy a gun. I don't know what the right conditions would be, but I know that there are some, because there are some that are obviously not.
Not all tragedies will be stopped, but some will.
When simple solutions may exist, they should be tried. It's kind of simple.
Bob.
When one door closes, another opens.
-- Cervantes, Don Quixote
