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1 death is 1 to many but what about the other 72 million Americans that own guns and are law abiding citizens. Almost 30-40% of Americans own guns.
To put it in context there is an accepted mortality rate of 1% from the majority of the vaccines that are being pushed and no one bats and eye on that but when .00001% of the American population is effected the other 72 million should change?
Coming from someone who has been effected by one of those higher stats, I'm telling you from my own experience it wouldn't have changed anything... cause what was next to that gun was a hammer and it would of had the same outcome, but that's another story/convo.
FYI I'm not attacking you, just want to put those stats in context a bit, one person dying from anything either guns or knifes or cars is one to many. But at a certain point the people who don't do anything wrong need to stand up and not be put into a category because of a handful of dumb-asses.
-P
"Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie"-Miyamoto Musashi
With nearly 38,000 lives lost and almost 85,000 more injured each year, the human cost of gun violence in America is staggering. Families, friends, and entire communities suffer the long-term and irreparable impacts of these tragedies—physically, emotionally, and financially.
examining the serious economic consequences of gun violence is paramount to understanding just how extensive and expensive this crisis is. The ecomic cost is around $280.Billion!
This $280 billion problem represents the lifetime costs associated with gun violence, Government costs for gun violence—paid for by taxpayers—fall into two broad categories: medical costs and police and criminal justice costs,
• American taxpayers pay a daily average of $34.8 million for medical care, first responders, ambulances, police, and criminal justice services related to gun violence.
• Families directly affected by gun violence everyday face $4.7 million in out-of-pocket costs for medical bills and mental health support, and $140.3 million in losses from work missed due to injury or death.
• Society loses an estimated $586.8 million per day in intangible costs from the pain and suffering of gun violence victims and their families.
• Employers every day lose $1.4 million in productivity, revenue, and costs required to recruit and train replacements for victims of gun violence.
Your chart showed the "gun owners" with the weapon at home. I found my country in the extreme highs of this data line. Just this isn't comparable!
I live in a neutral and very democratic country. We can vote and elect 4 to 10 times per year as adults. Every male (+18 to 40) has to go to military service for min. 1 year (with education on military arms) or making a human service for 1,5 years.
The point is: Every soldier MUST take the army weapon plus ammunition with 24 bullets in a sealed box after every military education AT HOME and stores it there - weapon and ammunition separately. Then every year an official training with the weapon will be held in every village to repeat the learned stuff (mandatory). The reason why a soldier needs weapon and ammunition at home is based on WWI&II where the soldier had to have some protection getting on its way when they were called into military service in urgency.
Finally - those deadly "weapons" are not bought and hold by the civilians - but they are part of the military armament! Counting those in a statistic is a total distortion thereof.
Happily as we are - those military weapons in private surroundings are very rarely used for murder! This is because of the high punishes by misusing army material. Instead nearly every Swiss soldier has knowledge of handling a deadly weapon. With that - most of the Swiss people are NEVER buying a weapon privately - as one can use the army ones for training anyway. If you want to find a gun shop here - they are not easy to find :-)
This is a heavily emotional issue, and I'll just tiptoe in and then tiptoe out again. But here's my half cent:
There's nothing wrong with owning a gun. There's also nothing wrong with owning a car, and nothing wrong with drinking beer. But if you put driving and drinking together, you have a bad situation. So there are rules that aim to deal with this. We have to have them, and they don't infringe on anyone's freedom. They stop people from abusing their freedom by acting irresponsibly, to other people's detriment.
Having rules that make it hard to quickly get a gun, or hard to get one if you have a bad history (background checks) is exactly like that. If someone gets drunk and runs someone over with their car, that's something that should have been prevented, or at least made harder for them to do. If someone is unsuitable to own a firearm, and if that can be determined by something as simple as a background check, this should also be done.
This is not a case of absolutes. There are things that make sense and things that don't, and protection of the public when it can be done is important.
Tiptoeing out now....
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I think your math is off! The death rate of Covid itself is less than 1%!
I was aware of the Swiss gun requirements you mention. My chart was just to show in the developed world there is a strong correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths. The chart for the states of the US shows the same thing. People can challenge the chart, saying that it doesn't include XYZ, but that doesn't change the facts that there is a strong correlation between gun ownership and gun deaths! That seems to be a fact that many people don't seem to acknowledge.
What I don't understand is that the anti- 'background checks and registering all gun sale' advocates believe this violates peoples freedom. At the same time Georgia just passed a law that makes it illegal to give somebody who is waiting in line to vote a bottle of water. Generally this is the same group of people. Which brings me to this meme....
Finally on the subject of mental health. (I know there are people following this thread who are now thinking "See the problem isn't guns it's actually mental health") I aaw this post on Twitter this am. (Admittedly didn't read it, just looking at the headline - also I know I know, NYT is a liberal rag). If Mental Health is such an issue with gun violence in the US, are we saying that the 41% of people who suffered depression in the US in the last year should have their guns taken away?
I don't think you are comprehending what I am saying, I am saying the accepted death rate from the VACCINE is about 1% and we all except that but when something effects .00001% of the population everyone goes crazy.
-P
"Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie"-Miyamoto Musashi
You make a great point and I think it something that needs to be looked into, the biggest issue is the law is an absolute and when we say mental health where to do stop and how severe does it have to be. Technically ADHD is a mental health disorder, does everyone with ADHD deserve to lose there guns?
Also how long does that statute of limitations last? I know people who have gone through extreme hardships and would defiantly have a form of PTSD and at one point in there life they would a HUGE wreck but are now showing no symptoms for years and are a contributing member of society, do they deserve to have there guns taken away?
Its a very slippery slope, there are always going to be innocent people who get hurt by these changes but how many is acceptable and once the ball gets rolling when does it stop? I really think that is one of the biggest concerns from gun owners, they know if you give these politicians an inch they are gonna take it an run.
I really think alot of it is how we have been raised for the past 20-30 years. I would be very curious to see how another country who has weapons similar to ours but follows a completely different lifestyle is with weapons.
Guns aren't going away, the gun is as American as baseball. We used them to over throw a government and win our freedom, Im surprised we dont have a musket on our flag. Before anyone chimes in about " oh back then they had muskets not semi auto assault weapons" well back in the day the musket was the assault weapon of the day.
Hell calling the modern ar an assault rifle is incorrect
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I (think) I understood you, and I'm saying I think your off be a factor of a 1000. Quick google search seems to show that CDC reported death rate on Covid Vaccines is .0018%. Also the massive anti-vax movement in the US, kind of says people aren't accepting of vaccine side effects or death rates.
As for your reply to @bobwest, are you arguing that accidently taking a gun away from somebody who should be allowed it is more worrisome than stopping gun deaths?
