Yet another mass shooting

March 26th, 2021, 10:12 AM

WoodyFox

Couldn't agree more.

Our communities need a lifting up and we need more access to good mental health care. There is absolutely no reason for our failures, considering our potential.

Yes. There is plenty of opportunity to improve our mental healthcare in addition to common sense gun control reform that respects the 2nd Amendment.

As for the "other factors" that might be prevalent, they vary by country. I'll leave it as an exercise to you to figure out which factors might better explain the high gun deaths in, say, Swaziland, than ownership prevalence. I know you can do it!

March 26th, 2021, 11:00 AM

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March 26th, 2021, 01:32 PM

SMCJB

The US is a world leader. Largest economy in the world, one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world, largest and most advanced military in the world, biggest open democracy, the list goes on and on. Why then when it comes to gun deaths, and mental health, do we compare ourselves to places like Venezuela, El Salvador & Honduras etc and not Australia, France, Germany, Japan & the UK. I agree it's not right that we focus on mass shootings and ignore the body count that builds up in Chicago weekend after weekend. I agree Mental Health plays a huge factor. I agree the media, and social media makes it all worse and not better. These are not valid excuses though, they just deflect from the situation that people are dieing and at a rate higher than most counties in the developed world. If the death rate of people driving cars was 10x greater than that our of pier countries, I assume somebody would ask why is that, and hopefully do something about it. Why then when it comes to gun deaths (or mental health if that is the route cause) do we do nothing but generate excuses or reasons why not to do anything?

March 26th, 2021, 01:35 PM

Apologies @LastDino, second biggest!

March 26th, 2021, 01:48 PM

But I've a more serious problem with this "mental health" area. Its not that the argument is not right but how do we pre-define who is at the tipping point? There is big gap between having violent thoughts or even having violent behavior and actually acting on them to that extent, much more so with the guns.

I'm not saying its not the biggest cause, its just it would be hard to find a sane person in modern society.

Again, I must bring back my background in third world country, I mean have you ever seen one of these?

----during covid times no less

I kid you not, I've traveled quite a lot using public transport, and it would be hard to find a day where I didn't want to beat someone up.

I mean frustration, momentary anger, or even just sheer humidity can prompt some deadly thoughts in just about any average person. Its just that not everyone actually gets tested enough

--I'm just thinking loud here, I've no idea about situation in US or any other country tbh, this is just something that comes to mind. I feel solution is not going to be one or two fold.

March 26th, 2021, 02:54 PM

LastDino

But I've a more serious problem with this "mental health" area. Its not that the argument is not right but how do we per-define who is at the tipping point? There is big gap between having violent thoughts or even having violent behavior and actually acting on them to that extent, much more so with the guns.

I'm not saying its not the biggest cause, its just it would be hard to find a sane person in modern society.

Again, I must bring back my background in third world country, I mean have you ever seen one of these?

----during covid times no less

I kid you not, I've traveled quite a lot using public transport, and it would be hard to find a day where I didn't want to beat someone up.

I mean frustration, momentary anger, or even just sheer humidity can prompt some deadly thoughts in just about any average person. Its just that not everyone actually gets tested enough

--I'm just thinking loud here, I've no idea about situation in US or any other country tbh, this is just something that comes to mind. I feel solution is not going to be one or two fold.

I get some of your points...But when over 60% of gun deaths are suicide, that is when mental health plays a big part.

March 26th, 2021, 03:06 PM

LastDino

But I've a more serious problem with this "mental health" area. Its not that the argument is not right but how do we per-define who is at the tipping point? There is big gap between having violent thoughts or even having violent behavior and actually acting on them to that extent, much more so with the guns.

I'm not saying its not the biggest cause, its just it would be hard to find a sane person in modern society.

Again, I must bring back my background in third world country, I mean have you ever seen one of these?

----during covid times no less

I kid you not, I've traveled quite a lot using public transport, and it would be hard to find a day where I didn't want to beat someone up.

I mean frustration, momentary anger, or even just sheer humidity can prompt some deadly thoughts in just about any average person. Its just that not everyone actually gets tested enough

--I'm just thinking loud here, I've no idea about situation in US or any other country tbh, this is just something that comes to mind. I feel solution is not going to be one or two fold.

This also makes me think of the Mark Barton shootings when he went on a killing spree in two different trading firms.

He had lost 100 grand within a month on bad trading.

Just couldn't handle the pressure and guilt of losing, so took it upon himself to shoot and kill people? I will never understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_O._Barton

Edit...Just reread it myself and didn't know the part of his ex-wife and mother-in-law?

March 26th, 2021, 03:09 PM

WoodyFox

I get some of your points...But when over 60% of gun deaths are suicide, that is when mental health plays a big part.

Over 60% of gun deaths are suicides? Is this in the USA or the whole world? Do you have a link?

March 26th, 2021, 03:11 PM

Dasani

Over 60% of gun deaths are suicides? Is this in the USA or the whole world? Do you have a link?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

First 2 sentences.

24532/38390 = .63

March 26th, 2021, 06:50 PM

Annual Gun Violence Impacting People of All Ages in the U.S.
Every year, 115,551 people are shot. Among those:
� 38,826 people die from gun violence
� 14,062 are murdered
� 76,725 people survive gunshot injuries
� 34,566 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
� 23,437 die from gun suicide
� 3,554 survive an attempted gun suicide
� 483 killed unintentionally
� 521 are killed by legal intervention
� 1,376 are shot by legal intervention and survive
� 324 die but the intent was unknown
� 4,471 are shot and survive but the intent is unknown
� 547 women are killed by their husband or male dating partner**
Every year, 7,957 children and teens are shot in the United States. Among those:
� 1,663 children and teens die from gun violence
� 864 are murdered
� 6,294 children and teens survive gunshot injuries
� 2,788 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
� 662 die from gun suicide
� 166 survive an attempted gun suicide
� 10 are killed by legal intervention
� 101 are shot by legal intervention and survive
� 89 are killed unintentionally
� 2,893 are shot unintentionally and survive
� 38 die but the intent was unknown
� 380 are and survive shot but the intent is unknown

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