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You may have missed my point which was Firearms and domestic violence are a lethal combination -injuring and killing women,children, and bystanders everyday in the United States. In one study of25 high-income countries, the United States represented just 32% of the female population but accounted for 84%of all female firearm homicides. A gun is the weapon most commonly used in domestic homicides. In fact, more than six times as many women are murdered by guns used by their current or former intimate partners than are killed by male strangers.


So from what you say, having an intimate partner is quite dangerous. What percentage of these murders are committed by using guns in the USA? Earlier you mentioned White Supremacy. Do you have any facts with other races?

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You may have missed my point which was Firearms and domestic violence are a lethal combination -injuring and killing women,children, and bystanders everyday in the United States. In one study of25 high-income countries, the United States represented just 32% of the female population but accounted for 84%of all female firearm homicides. A gun is the weapon most commonly used in domestic homicides. In fact, more than six times as many women are murdered by guns used by their current or former intimate partners than are killed by male strangers.

Okay, I found the article you speak of.

https://www.adl.org/resources/reports/when-women-are-the-enemy-the-intersection-of-misogyny-and-white-supremacy

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Causes of injury-related deaths

Based on CDC data, 70.3% (173,040) of injury deaths were unintentional, 19.3% (47,511) were due to suicide, 7.8% (19,141) were homicides, 2.3% (5,683) were of undetermined intent, and 0.3% (652) were due to “legal intervention.”

Looking at homicides, 75.3% (14,414) were committed with a firearm. Other causes include 8.9% (1,702) caused by cutting or piercing, and 2.4% (455) caused by suffocation.

Firearm deaths by gender and age

Males are vastly more likely to be murdered with a firearm than females, with a death rate per 100,000 of 7.65 for males and 1.44 for females across all age ranges. This disproportionality becomes even greater when we adjust for age. In the 15-19 age range, males have a death rate per 100,000 of 14.31 while females have a death rate per 100,000 of 2.10. The death rate for males per 100,000 spikes in the 20-24 age range at 20.53 compared to 2.96 for females. Between the ages of 25-29, the rate is 18.51 for males and 2.50 for females. Between the ages of 30-34, the rate is 15.21 for males and 2.36 for females.

The vast majority of deaths from firearms for males occur between the ages of 15 and 34, with a total of 7,759 deaths. That’s over 53% of all firearm deaths across the entire population.

Firearm deaths by race

Black people are far more likely to be killed with a firearm than people of any other race. Across the entire population, black people have a death rate per 100,000 of 17.83 when it comes to firearm deaths. White people have a rate of 2.22, Native Americans have a rate of 4.07, and Asians have a rate of 1.08.

In terms of raw count, 8,607 black people were killed with firearms in 2019, which accounts for almost 60% of all firearm deaths that year. 5,367 white people were killed, which made up over 37% of firearm deaths.

The disproportional impact of gun violence on the black community becomes even more apparent when we group by sex. 7,685 black males were killed with firearms in 2019, which is over 53% of all firearm deaths. In other words, black males make up the majority of victims of gun violence.

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More Guns = More Gun Deaths

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More Guns = More Gun Deaths

Sorry Bad Facts, But I wouldn't expect anything different from the VOX.

They conveniently left out over a dozen countries with way lower guns per capita.



Still Bad, but this is a little closer to the truth. We have the highest gun ownership of any of these countries.

List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


full facts here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


Never ever use VOX for any factual material, I would only use independent sources. JMHO

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Here is NPR take:

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence

and Politifact

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/aug/02/beto-orourke/are-there-more-gun-deaths-united-states-any-other-/

They actually quote the VOX, I'm not sure if this is your article or not ? @SMCJB

If it is, they just left out lower income countries, so they could support their argument.

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Sorry Bad Facts, But I wouldn't expect anything different from the VOX.
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Never ever use VOX for any factual material, I would only use independent sources. JMHO

You can use any source for material, as long as you put it through some gray matter.

BTW, you mis-identified the source, as it wasn't VOX. The chart comes from this article (see chart 6): https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/boulder-colorado-mass-shooting-gun-violence-statistics-charts.

The original sources are gunpolicy.org and the UN.

These sources apparently used a filter based on level of country development. You presented "independent sourcing" with a "cherry pick" filter. I'd say VOX's chart is vastly more reasonable.

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You can use any source for material, as long as you put it through some gray matter.

BTW, you mis-identified the source, as it wasn't VOX. The chart comes from this article (see chart 6): https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/boulder-colorado-mass-shooting-gun-violence-statistics-charts.

The original sources are gunpolicy.org and the UN.

These sources apparently used a filter based on level of country development. You presented "independent sourcing" with a "cherry pick" filter. I'd say VOX's chart is vastly more reasonable.

Sorry, I didn't know the source was a quote of a quote, the chart said VOX.

How is VOX's chart more reasonable? They left out 19 countries with way higher gun rate deaths per capita. That is "cherry picking".


So...if the US goes bankrupt over night, we can be removed from the chart???

JMHO

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Its not the guns...Its behavior and mental health.


Another 20 years and guns will be antiques. Then the argument will be, "if we could just ban those lightsaber's".


Dam guns...if only we would control their behavior some how?



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Sorry, I didn't know the source was a quote of a quote, the chart said VOX.

How is VOX's chart more reasonable? They left out 19 countries with way higher gun rate deaths per capita. That is "cherry picking".


So...if the US goes bankrupt over night, we can be removed from the chart???

JMHO

If you wish to demonstrate a meaningful numerical relationship, it's Math 101 buddy. Control for other factors.

Any reasonable person can see that factors other than "incidence of gun ownership" are probably dominant in Honduras, Venezuela and Swaziland.

You are absolutely, 100%, cherry picking.

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