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Yet another mass shooting

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I watched some of the chatter on Twitter in utter amazement today. How can people be so deluded, so polarized, as to think that any of these "innuendos" make sense?
  • If the shooter was white, that's somehow a "win" for progressives and a "loss" for conservatives
  • If the shooter's name sounded Arabic, that's somehow a "win" for conservatives and a "loss" for progressives
  • If the victims weren't white, that's somehow a "win" for progressives and a "loss" for conservatives
  • If the shooter had any sort of mental issue, that's a "win" for conservatives and a "loss" for progressives
  • If Chicago had a bad weekend, that's a "win" for conservatives and a "loss" for progressives
  • <Progressive or Conservative> public figure X's relative Y said something stupid. Mark the dub for the good team

Totally ridiculous and meaningless statements. A steamy pile of false choices and irrational observations.

We all lose every time there's a mass shooting. Our gun laws, red flag laws, mental health practices, etc. are all far from perfect. The discussion about solutions should reflect that fact.

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Is it just me... or has anyone else noticed this concerted effort on the part of the media, various social advocacies and many politicians to CONSTANTLY divide us on race?

Yes, but I live in the UK and things are a lot less pronounced here. As a white male I can whole heartedly agree with BLM (to pick a current obvious example), if it means that everybody should be treated equally, irrelevant of their skin colour, and have the same rights, freedoms and opportunities in life, but instead people now seem to be more intent on categorising themselves and everybody else primarily based on their skin colour.
As others have said regarding politics also, differences between people are being accentuated and constantly focused on and measured against rather than celebrated or bringing people together.

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American culture is a gun culture. There is an obsession with the right to own, to carry, and to use guns of all types. Every day, people in the United States use their guns to kill other people. It is only rarely that people use their guns to kill criminals in the act of committing a crime: most frequently people use their guns to kill wives, children, and co-workers. It seems like every day there is a mass shooting in which someone uses a gun to kill or wound multiple people.

A recent New York Times article, ““The motivations of men who commit mass shootings are often muddled, complex or unknown. But one common thread that connects many of them—other than access to powerful firearms—is a history of hating women, assaulting wives, girlfriends and female family members, or sharing misogynistic views online.”

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I wish guns were not needed. However guns are the only firm line of defense against Government tyranny.

Regarding this shooting, I guess no one in the grocery store had concealed carry...what if two or three brave people (customers or staff) had concealed carry? It would still be a horrible story but with likely a somewhat different ending.

As a rational person, I see a fit for some reasonable gun control. However there are those in Govt power that want to use reasonable change for complete elimination of gun rights. They do not want any opposition to executing unlimited control and power over other people. Of course, they want to take that action "for our own good" and because they are "smarter" than us.

Again, I wish guns were not needed but as long as deeply evil people consider their actions to be good there must be some way to stop tyranny.

I understand many people disagree with this thinking and I respect your position.

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When it comes to mass shootings US is far behind Europe if anyone wonders.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-despite-gun-control-advocates-claims-u-s-isnt-the-worst-country-for-mass-shootings/

https://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

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In the US, three women used to be killed by an intimate partner each day. The figure is now up—closer to four women a day. At the same time, the number of men who are murdered by an intimate partner has declined.

The means to kill is gun-related and the “why” invites us to recognize how violence against women is closely connected to the growing sentiment of hate promoted by white supremacists.
According to the National Resource Center on Domestic Violence (NRCDV), intimate partner homicides make up approximately 10% of all US murders and of those, women comprise approximately 70% of those killed. In other words, one out of every 10 people murdered is by an intimate partner, and seven of those ten murdered are women. Research tells us that women are far more likely to be killed by an intimate acquaintance or spouse than by a stranger.
Every year, 115,551 people are shot. Among those:7,957 children and teens are shot

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In the US, three women used to be killed by an intimate partner each day. The figure is now up—closer to four women a day. At the same time, the number of men who are murdered by an intimate partner has declined.

The means to kill is gun-related and the “why” invites us to recognize how violence against women is closely connected to the growing sentiment of hate promoted by white supremacists.
According to the National Resource Center on Domestic Violence (NRCDV), intimate partner homicides make up approximately 10% of all US murders and of those, women comprise approximately 70% of those killed. In other words, one out of every 10 people murdered is by an intimate partner, and seven of those ten murdered are women. Research tells us that women are far more likely to be killed by an intimate acquaintance or spouse than by a stranger.
Every year, 115,551 people are shot. Among those:7,957 children and teens are shot

So women are shot only by white supremacists? What is the breakdown of the different races that are shot and killed by an intimate partner?

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I understand your point and concern with violence against Women. Not sure how white supremacists enter into the point. Certainly, I am not defending white supremacists. I suspect that violence against women extends across races, politics, etc. By the way, have you listened to various rap lyrics? Not so female friendly. Unfortunately violence against women is in most Nations and cultures.

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the findings are from a report by the Anti-Defamation League titled, “When Women are the Enemy: The Intersection of Misogyny and White Supremacy” found that the hatred of women is frequently an accession into the white supremacist world. The report identified that the cultural changes and attention to gender equality in progressive politics emboldened some men to choose to follow the far-right, white supremacist movements that hold women to strong traditional gender roles. (Salon, H. D. Parton, August 2019).

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So women are shot only by white supremacists? What is the breakdown of the different races that are shot and killed by an intimate partner?

You may have missed my point which was Firearms and domestic violence are a lethal combination -injuring and killing women,children, and bystanders everyday in the United States. In one study of25 high-income countries, the United States represented just 32% of the female population but accounted for 84%of all female firearm homicides. A gun is the weapon most commonly used in domestic homicides. In fact, more than six times as many women are murdered by guns used by their current or former intimate partners than are killed by male strangers.

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