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in regards to your wall comment, thats basically what the USA has at many of the crossing points and it does nothing so wouldn't upgrading to something much more sturdy and more defensive have a positive outcome for the the side defending? It would, like i said before you will never stop everyone from crossing but its ment to be a deterrent. Now mexicans & americans can cross the boarder to get things as long as they go through a port of entry and have the proper paper work. Thousands do and do it properly. I my self use to cross all the time when i traveled for work. Walls help now how much will they help who knows.

Now to religion I think we will have to agree to disagree. Like i said before Im not a very religious person but can see the benefits of taking a modern approach to religion. I for one think religion was only meant to be used as a "gudieline" on how to be a good person and it ended up turning into a huge mess. I for one cannot understand why you would hate someone due to the fact your man/woman in the sky said they are bad 10000 years ago and now in modern times you still hate that group. To me its very archaic and pointless

I also think people are no longer willing to debate with others, I for one have had many of my views changed because I try to go into each conversation with an open mind and if "you" have valid points supported by facts and not your feelings then i am all for it.

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This I agree too, religion was just social code of conduct in ancient world before we started writing down constitutions.

I don't think we disagree on anything other than some personal views that are too personal to be debated about, after all free societies also allow everyone to practice their own religion

However, most of the times that freedom/right is abused due to lack of empathy towards others who don't want to be involved with religion, but still there is no burning need on my side to change anyone's inclination to that, I just want to point out that living harmonious and well cultured full of empathy life is possible without religion also, in fact two have very little to no correlation. I'll give one similar example, Cast System, it started out as passing down your skills to your next generation as there was no public schooling systems there to learn them outside in ancient India, unless you were born in extremely wealthy family who could hire scholars to teach your kid personally, eventually it became cruel practice of discrimination, which is still one of the biggest social problems here even though now "passing your skills to your children" is hardly ever seen, in fact children actively avoid getting into same things as their parents far more than otherwise. Point here being that now humanity has evolved enough that cast system is now rendered useless even in its original intended purpose, but still the evil it left behind lives on, in fact creating new evils.

Take for example, most people assume Yoga is part of Hindu religion, but in reality Yoga is just part of Hindu culture and Hindu is not even real name of religion, its name of region and name of that religion is "Sanatan Dharma". I've been practitioner of Yoga since I was 7 years old but not Hindu religion (Sanatan Dharma), because those are not codependent practices, they exist seperatly and always have been two different sub parts of "Culture" rather than Yoga being sub part of Religion.

More or less, what you are suggesting is to upgrade Sanatan Dharma to promote yoga, my view is that just promote Yoga directly. Promoting and upgrading Sanatan Dharma is LOT harder and complicated for various reasons, especially when other "religions" consider it down right pagan sh*t, I would rather not get into that territory all together and just use Yoga to improve my life and move on

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Well that's the million dollar question. US has more guns, and more gun deaths than any other country in the world! Your statement implies that they are unrelated! I think the majority of the WORLD would strongly disagree with you.

Your statement makes me sound like a blood thirsty gun proponent! LOL... I'll go on record as saying I'm not even an enthusiast. I have a 12 gauge shotgun, a .22, and a .45, but we live waaaay out in the sticks and have need for such things. Lots of wild critters running around in the woods, some of them dangerous. Not to mention that if you have need to call the cops out here, it's too late. To me, they are necessary tools.

Of course I know that's not the case for most people. My statement may have implied something if taken out of context, but I never said any such thing. My full comment was only to point out that a total ban might be a band-aid fix at best, ignoring the root of the problem which we as westerners are so prone to doing, and would likely have unforeseen and long lasting consequences.

Dating myself here, but when I was going to high school kids had gun racks in the back window of their pickup trucks, replete with guns no less! I wasn't one of them, but it was never a problem. I know my little story is only anecdotal, but something has changed and it's not the guns.

Appreciate the lively and thoughtful discussion guys. And yoga is awesome.

Edit: I also wanted to add that I am sympathetic to the situation; it is truly a sad state of affairs and I hope we can find some way to sort it out without having to relinquish even more of our personal freedoms, but that seems to be the path that we are on these days and, barring some unforeseen wave of common sense and compassion, I unfortunately don't have a lot of faith that we will.

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How many in the last couple weeks? At least two that I know of....

I wonder how many there were in Europe by comparison...

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US is a crisis-racked nation with over 300 armed militias groups roaming its ethnically polarized restless interior The division that are now so polarised in America that they will eventually tear the country apart. There are more guns than people ( 400 million are in circulation for a population of 330 million

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Your statement makes me sound like a blood thirsty gun proponent! LOL... I'll go on record as saying I'm not even an enthusiast. I have a 12 gauge shotgun, a .22, and a .45, but we live waaaay out in the sticks and have need for such things. Lots of wild critters running around in the woods, some of them dangerous. Not to mention that if you have need to call the cops out here, it's too late. To me, they are necessary tools.

Of course I know that's not the case for most people. My statement may have implied something if taken out of context, but I never said any such thing. My full comment was only to point out that a total ban might be a band-aid fix at best, ignoring the root of the problem which we as westerners are so prone to doing, and would likely have unforeseen and long lasting consequences.

Dating myself here, but when I was going to high school kids had gun racks in the back window of their pickup trucks, replete with guns no less! I wasn't one of them, but it was never a problem. I know my little story is only anecdotal, but something has changed and it's not the guns.

Appreciate the lively and thoughtful discussion guys. And yoga is awesome.

Edit: I also wanted to add that I am sympathetic to the situation; it is truly a sad state of affairs and I hope we can find some way to sort it out without having to relinquish even more of our personal freedoms, but that seems to be the path that we are on these days and, barring some unforeseen wave of common sense and compassion, I unfortunately don't have a lot of faith that we will.

Most of the problem lies in our state of mental health. If you discuss this with older generations, a lot place blame to changes in mental health policies starting in the early 1980's. One being MHSA...see here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Systems_Act_of_1980

Most mental health facilities were shut down during that era.

Gun suicides account for the majority of deaths see here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States.

On the positive side, we are starting to see mental health policies reemerge. Employers are starting to offer some programs in their health policies, although its still limited.

Even today, peeps have no embarrassment to talk about most physical health issues...but people still hesitate to talk about their mental health.

We need to get passed the stigma? Just because your neighbor has depression, dose not make him bat shit crazy.

I also believe a lot of the gun violence like mass shootings could be avoided if people had places where they could get help.


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How many in the last couple weeks? At least two that I know of....

Couple of weeks? It's two in six days! As in most cases, both white males as well.
edit as more details become available the second shooter was an arabic male

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Couple of weeks? It's two in six days! As in most cases, both white males as well.

Also add this into the six days.

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shootings-weekend-gun-violence-shooting-breaking-news/10440209/

21 Shot, 4 fatal in 2 days

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The weekend before that... Just 8 days ago?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2021/3/13/22328797/chicago-weekend-shootings-march-12-15-gun-violence-crime

40 shot, 5 fatal.

In my eyes, these are all still mass shootings...Very Sad.

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I think they are different but just as concerning/serious.

Genuinely amazed that the Chicago shootings aren't national news every weekend. Strange how the media makes some deaths important, and others unimportant. I suspect it all comes down to ratings and hence advertising sales. Says a lot not only about the media, but the population that watch's the news!

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I think they are different but just as concerning/serious.

Genuinely amazed that the Chicago shootings aren't national news every weekend. Strange how the media makes some deaths important, and others unimportant. I suspect it all comes down to ratings and hence advertising sales. Says a lot not only about the media, but the population that watch's the news!

The reason it isn't in the news is because it unfortunately happens every weekend and no one is surprised anymore.

I agree with you, its crazy that this isn't national news and they aren't marching in the streets.

It boils down to a few things but with today's current view of destroying anyone with a different opinion, im not willing to have that conversation.

I would like to say hopefully some day it will change but at this point events like that are ingrained in the culture of some folks, extremely sad.

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