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people are dangerous. Don't give them guns.

So are drugs. They're also illegal yet somehow we have a huge drug problem not only in American but around the world.

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So are drugs. They're also illegal yet somehow we have a huge drug problem not only in American but around the world.



Imagination can make us happy. So many miserable people in the rich west hooked on opioids. Terrible. People are miserable and unhappy, don't give them drugs, give them hope and a means to be creative.

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. And latter is not even option in majority of the world. I'm not really liberal, but I do think there is something called value of life lost, it far exceeds value of guns to society.

I think you brought up a good point, we really have lost the value of life. So many of us have become desensitized to death and killing. Its everywhere on the internet, death has become just another thing. Some would blame video games some will blame movies but regardless of who/what you blame its the entire human race who would most likely walk right past some one dying/dead on the side of the road, and if they do stop it won't be out of good intentions it would be because they want to post the picture of there website/social media and get clicks/likes.

Maybe we need more religion in schools and at home, I for one am not the most religious but can see the benefits if religion is used in a positive form. But on the other hand religion can be a very negative thing, look at the middle east and centuries of wars fought because you believe in something else then i do.

I think in 1000 years if this rock still holds life on it, people are going to look back and think we are all crazy for all the killing and horrible things humans do to each other.

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I think you brought up a good point, we really have lost the value of life. So many of us have become desensitized to death and killing. Its everywhere on the internet, death has become just another thing. Some would blame video games some will blame movies but regardless of who/what you blame its the entire human race who would most likely walk right past some one dying/dead on the side of the road, and if they do stop it won't be out of good intentions it would be because they want to post the picture of there website/social media and get clicks/likes.

Maybe we need more religion in schools and at home, I for one am not the most religious but can see the benefits if religion is used in a positive form. But on the other hand religion can be a very negative thing, look at the middle east and centuries of wars fought because you believe in something else then i do.

I think in 1000 years if this rock still holds life on it, people are going to look back and think we are all crazy for all the killing and horrible things humans do to each other.

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On the contrary, religion will not help but make it worse (like you mentioned on negative side, it will be like introducing one evil to fight another, we don't need that), again I've some experience with it due to living in country that's overloaded with all the religions in the world. For purpose of not offending anyone I will not get into religion based debate, but if you go look into history majority of mass murders have happened in name of religion and it even beats race in that area, even if real objective was just expanding territory, they rallied public sentiment using religion. So, logically speaking being a religious person won't suddenly make you less involved in crime and more helpful to needy, maybe if you want to convert someone but alas, that's not really helping.

Anyways, real point is, what we are lacking as a society is empathy or only have selective sympathy, now why we are lacking that is different level of debate and I do not think there is any solution to lacking empathy, its side effect of having rational and selfish lifestyles and helping others can be hard too. In my part of the world if you see someone getting run over by car and stop and take him/her to hospital, you will be in for ride. Likely you will spend almost entire day explaining yourself to first doctors and then police, that stops people from being helpful and empathetic to others.

Lack of empathy can be quite evident in everyone's daily life styles and it decreases slowly till you do something about it on personal level, don't think I'm making much sense atm but it makes perfect sense in my head
Just look at this example, right now there is guy in power in worlds strongest country whom not committing a crime on daily basis will be a surprise and he got to power based on silly things like "building a wall" to stop other people in need coming to his country, even though wall does absolutely nothing about it, but it has still garnered him support from masses, who are knowing/unknowingly completely lacking empathy towards "others" and this particular bunch is also on an average more religious kind.

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On the contrary, religion will not help but make it worse (like you mentioned on negative side, it will be like introducing one evil to fight another, we don't need that), again I've some experience with it due to living in country that's overloaded with all the religions in the world. For purpose of not offending anyone I will not get into religion based debate, but if you go look into history majority of mass murders have happened in name of religion and it even beats race in that area, even if real objective was just expanding territory, they rallied public sentiment using religion. So, logically speaking being a religious person won't suddenly make you less involved in crime and more helpful to needy, maybe if you want to convert someone but alas, that's not really helping.

Anyways, real point is, what we are lacking as a society is empathy or only have selective sympathy, now why we are lacking that is different level of debate and I do not think there is any solution to lacking empathy, its side effect of having rational and selfish lifestyles and helping others can be hard too. In my part of the world if you see someone getting run over by car and stop and take him/her to hospital, you will be in for ride. Likely you will spend almost entire day explaining yourself to first doctors and then police, that stops people from being helpful and empathetic to others.

Lack of empathy can be quite evident in everyone's daily life styles and it decreases slowly till you do something about it on personal level, don't think I'm making much sense atm but it makes perfect sense in my head
Just look at this example, right now there is guy in power in worlds strongest country whom not committing a crime on daily basis will be a surprise and he got to power based on silly things like "building a wall" to stop other people in need coming to his country, even though wall does absolutely nothing about it, but it has still garnered him support from masses, who are knowing/unknowingly completely lacking empathy towards "others" and this particular bunch is also on an average more religious kind.

I would have to say that we are both from two very different countries ( assuming your from india ) and even though we are very different we both have similar problems and it boils down to the person. I dont think religion would solve anything but if we could some how take a modern approach to religion.. EX be kind to your neighbor, help others, do unto others as you would do to your self ect ect it would help. But the problem with religion is it hasn't be updated in centuries so we still have people living a life style that is so unrealistic but they are doing so because some one 10000 years ago wrote down on a piece of wood how to do x y z.

Would it solve all the problems .. hell no, no one action will solve anything. But its a starting point.

Now to your wall comment, I really never understood why people were against a wall. Its kinda like saying we wont prosecute drunk drivers because they can always just hop in a car and do it again so why waste our time. Now with that being said I do think a wall would stop some but defiantly not all, if theirs a will theirs a way. BUT i also think the USA needs to find a way to better let people into this country, we are a country of immigrants and that is what makes this country great but we cant have the process take 4 years and costs thousands of dollars and then ask our selves why people sneak into this country. If i needed to get out of mexico I sure as hell am not going to wait 4 years for someone to process my paper work. With that being said I'd be all about raising our taxes a smidge to help people get into this country a little faster BUT i wouldn't want it done in a half ass type of way and not really vent people.

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I think you brought up a good point, we really have lost the value of life. So many of us have become desensitized to death and killing. Its everywhere on the internet, death has become just another thing.

Thanks P, this is the "underlying problem" I was referring to.

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Just food for thought, if it was just "person" that was an issue, there wont be legal prohibitions on ammunition type even in wild wild west.
https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/blotter/2016/09/bullet-control-what-types-of-ammunition-are-illegal.html

Some of the ammo in that link was very interesting.

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I would have to say that we are both from two very different countries ( assuming your from india ) and even though we are very different we both have similar problems and it boils down to the person. I dont think religion would solve anything but if we could some how take a modern approach to religion.. EX be kind to your neighbor, help others, do unto others as you would do to your self ect ect it would help. But the problem with religion is it hasn't be updated in centuries so we still have people living a life style that is so unrealistic but they are doing so because some one 10000 years ago wrote down on a piece of wood how to do x y z.

Would it solve all the problems .. hell no, no one action will solve anything. But its a starting point.

Now to your wall comment, I really never understood why people were against a wall. Its kinda like saying we wont prosecute drunk drivers because they can always just hop in a car and do it again so why waste our time. Now with that being said I do think a wall would stop some but defiantly not all, if theirs a will theirs a way. BUT i also think the USA needs to find a way to better let people into this country, we are a country of immigrants and that is what makes this country great but we cant have the process take 4 years and costs thousands of dollars and then ask our selves why people sneak into this country. If i needed to get out of mexico I sure as hell am not going to wait 4 years for someone to process my paper work. With that being said I'd be all about raising our taxes a smidge to help people get into this country a little faster BUT i wouldn't want it done in a half ass type of way and not really vent people.

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I think we agree on this on most parts, but you seem to be attributing somethings to religion that can and do exist without it, so my view (in little humorous ways) is that no amount of upgrading that windows XP will make it windows 10 anymore and its not really needed when what we really secretly want is actually Linux which promotes freedom as well as responsibility.

About the wall, well I'm not from US so I wont criticize it too much, but I can tell you this, there is one barbwire wall between India and Bangladesh, its there for quite a few years due to millions (not at all kidding about that number) of Bangladeshi citizens sneaking into India, sometimes just to buy petrol and going back and sometimes to get Indian documents with help of local scummy politician or their religious support group which promotes increasing their population to be majority in region.

But that Barbwire hasn't helped, what has helped however is two countries seating together and solving their little territorial dispute and having mutually beneficial economic policies which have kick started Bangladeshi industries, in tern producing jobs in their own country rather than they coming here for jobs. I'm not saying the issue is solved, but that's much more appropriate way to do it than just to have barbwire there and expect it to do anything, people were literally crossing it to save few pennies over petrol so you can imagine how even little motivation can produce that required amount of will to do that to walls.

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So are drugs. They're also illegal yet somehow we have a huge drug problem not only in American but around the world.

I don't understand your comment?

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I think we agree on this on most parts, but you seem to be attributing somethings to religion that can and do exist without it, so my view (in little humorous ways) is that no amount of upgrading that windows XP will make it windows 10 anymore and its not really needed when what we really secretly want is actually Linux which promotes freedom as well as responsibility.

About the wall, well I'm not from US so I wont criticize it too much, but I can tell you this, there is one barbwire wall between India and Bangladesh, its there for quite a few years due to millions (not at all kidding about that number) of Bangladeshi citizens sneaking into India, sometimes just to buy petrol and going back and sometimes to get Indian documents with help of local scummy politician or their religious support group which promotes increasing their population to be majority in region.

But that Barbwire hasn't helped, what has helped however is two countries seating together and solving their little territorial dispute and having mutually beneficial economic policies which have kick started Bangladeshi industries, in tern producing jobs in their own country rather than they coming here for jobs. I'm not saying the issue is solved, but that's much more appropriate way to do it than just to have barbwire there and expect it to do anything, people were literally crossing it to save few pennies over petrol so you can imagine how even little motivation can produce that required amount of will to do that to walls.

in regards to your wall comment, thats basically what the USA has at many of the crossing points and it does nothing so wouldn't upgrading to something much more sturdy and more defensive have a positive outcome for the the side defending? It would, like i said before you will never stop everyone from crossing but its ment to be a deterrent. Now mexicans & americans can cross the boarder to get things as long as they go through a port of entry and have the proper paper work. Thousands do and do it properly. I my self use to cross all the time when i traveled for work. Walls help now how much will they help who knows.

Now to religion I think we will have to agree to disagree. Like i said before Im not a very religious person but can see the benefits of taking a modern approach to religion. I for one think religion was only meant to be used as a "gudieline" on how to be a good person and it ended up turning into a huge mess. I for one cannot understand why you would hate someone due to the fact your man/woman in the sky said they are bad 10000 years ago and now in modern times you still hate that group. To me its very archaic and pointless

I also think people are no longer willing to debate with others, I for one have had many of my views changed because I try to go into each conversation with an open mind and if "you" have valid points supported by facts and not your feelings then i am all for it.

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