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Not a civil war. The framers were very smart having lived through tyranny, and they knew that without the ability for someone to protect himself and property, it would leave open the possibility of authoritarian ruler coming along.

The first step the communists took were to round up the guns and make it illegal. The government has total control without any fear of repercussions

that makes sense, but just flagging the relevance today of having militia. isnt the point of democracy that you can vote out a dodgy leader?

and just a followup, say hypothetically we did have a good democracy and no chance of an authoritarian dictatorship, would you have any other issues with controls over ammo/guns? or is this the main objection?

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It is happening in every country - some countries just cover the it in the news and other countries dont. It is bad !!

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NYTimes :- How Banks Could Control Gun Sales if Washington Won’t

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/business/banks-gun-sales.html

This would probably be extremely effective. Other business's that the credit card companies have blocked (online poker/gambling comes to mind) have struggled mightly. something else interesting is that if you read the comments to the article, something mentioned is the idea of requiring gun insurance, just like car insurance.

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I don't think it's up to the payment scheme's to set such rules.

Rules imposed by the scheme are most often a consequence of a law.

You need to have a license to drive a car, and for many other things, the reason is to make the world safer. The same should be the case for firearms, and some of those arms are military and don't belong @ home. Unless very exceptional cases, and in that case then still a license could be foreseen, taking into consideration that situation and at least there would be a track.

When buying a gun, there should be a license (different sorts of, to be worked out), the person should be 'mental' ok, having some kind of an minimal age and there should be a record, people buying several guns, triggers a red flag, before something bad happens.

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I don't think it's up to the payment scheme's to set such rules.

Rules imposed by the scheme are most often a consequence of a law.

You need to have a license to drive a car, and for many other things, the reason is to make the world safer. The same should be the case for firearms, and some of those arms are military and don't belong @ home. Unless very exceptional cases, and in that case then still a license could be foreseen, taking into consideration that situation and at least there would be a track.

When buying a gun, there should be a license (different sorts of, to be worked out), the person should be 'mental' ok, having some kind of an minimal age and there should be a record, people buying several guns, triggers a red flag, before something bad happens.

The concealed handgun license have had the opposite effects on the gun enthusiast (owns majority of weapons).

The ones that I know do not have CHL because of the way it is written, the sign contract and the paper trail. It is mostly for the novice like myself who only owns a few guns that have CHL.

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When president Obama was elected, there was huge spike in gun sales and ammunition. After Sandy hook, I couldn’t find ammunition to buy just shoot at the indoor range.

Realistically If a law like that did pass, every weapon and ammunition for sale would be bought up. The black market on guns would be uncontrollable, there wouldn’t be enough manpower to enforce a Law like that.

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When president Obama was elected, there was huge spike in gun sales and ammunition. After Sandy hook, I couldn’t find ammunition to buy just shoot at the indoor range.

Realistically If a law like that did pass, every weapon and ammunition for sale would be bought up. The black market on guns would be uncontrollable, there wouldn’t be enough manpower to enforce a Law like that.

So we should do nothing and just watch more and more mass shootings?

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So we should do nothing and just watch more and more mass shootings?

Enhance background checks, bump stock ban. How do you control mental illness? I don't know.

Some suggestions sound good in theory, but the amount of burecracy that would create would be unmanegemable. Take for instance the DMV. So states are mandated to create Licenseing bureau for firearms, What would that cost? Manpower? Billlions nationwide I suppose. And the enforcement of the Law, billions more on for law enforecement

The gun enthusiast would not participate anyways and just buy and sell the 350 millions firearms that are now available thus create a huge black market for weapons. These kids would could purchase without any problem. It is so easy to buy or trade guns (not retail), if you ever around some gun enthusiast or go to a gun show you would understand

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Enhance background checks, bump stock ban. How do you control mental illness?

Not sure that would have prevented any of the recent shootings. Maybe Southerland Springs.


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Some suggestions sound good in theory, but the amount of burecracy that would create would be unmanegemable. Take for instance the DMV. So states are mandated to create Licenseing bureau for firearms, What would that cost? Manpower? Billlions nationwide I suppose.

Sounds like the license fee needs to be quite high to cover those costs

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And the enforcement of the Law, billions more on for law enforecement.

That's a good point but we don't do that analysis before we bring in any other law.

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The gun enthusiast would not participate anyways and just buy and sell the 350 millions firearms that are now available thus create a huge black market for weapons. These kids would could purchase without any problem. It is so easy to buy or trade guns (not retail), if you ever around some gun enthusiast or go to a gun show you would understand

Your dead right. That's the exact problem. It's easy to get a gun in a second hand sale from a gun enthusiast, or at a gun show, all not subject to the background check that you propose we enhance. So you make it illegal to sell a gun without a background check. You require people who own guns to have gun insurance. You require gun clubs and shooting ranges to verify gun registration and insurance - just like garages do with cars! You don't ban guns you regulate them. Ohh and the black market? Sure there will be one, but the price will go through the roof. Not many kids paying thousands for guns on the black market.

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How do you control mental illness? I don't know.

The same way you treat any disability. The same way you install tactile warnings at the traffic lights for blind people. You put them out of harm's way.

Nobody says, "Oh many blind people have been killed in traffic accidents, but how do you control for blindness?" and then decide there's nothing to be done about it.


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So states are mandated to create Licenseing bureau for firearms, What would that cost? Manpower? Billlions nationwide I suppose.

Many DMVs are profitable. USCIS is profitable. As you've said yourself, there's perhaps some 350 million firearms which will need to be registered, which is well in excess of the number of green card applications each year, and well in excess of the number of vehicle registrations in the US.

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